On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:33:49AM -0600, J Moore wrote: > Why don't you cut the guy some slack - or at least shut your yap on this > (puh-l-e-e-e-ze)? I don't see *any* of what you're claiming to be > OpenBSD policy stated on the website. In fact I see a statement > (somewhat) to the contrary: > > Be as politics-free as possible; solutions should be decided on the > basis of technical merit.
Refers to the products of the project, of which the website is not one. Nick has certainly captured what I think is the consensus of the developer community. At least those who have been forced by the noise to think about it. > > And if it's the one-man show you claim, why don't you let "the man" > speak for himself? Or if you've been hired as the "official OpenBSD > bitch", please - let us know. > As far as I can recall Theo has already commented once that the website is not going to be redesigned in the forseeable future since it is accomplishing its purposes as laid out by Nick. I doubt that this topic is of sufficient interest to generate multiple comments. .... Ken > Jay > > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 11:03:19PM -0500, the unit calling itself Nick > Holland wrote: > > frantisek holop wrote: > > > dear list, > > > > > > before Theo brings up the (very) valid point of haven't > > > been able to see any proposed design (even if rejected > > > without looking) i would like to ask fellow designers > > > or anyone who feels like to make an openbsd site design > > > proposal just to show that actually there is interest > > > in making the old pages retire after so many years of > > > faithful serving. > > > > > > i am willing to host all the participants' efforts > > > as a central "repository", or even only links > > > to these pages. > > > > > > make some noise people, so we can say at least we tried. > > > > > > -f > > > > Like FreeBSD and NetBSD's "redesign our web site" contest. Riiight.. > > > > No. > > We've spent way too much time laughing at those already (both the > > process and the results). > > > > You can do what you want, but your work will be ignored. > > > > OpenBSD is NOT a committee-run OS project. > > I think a lot of people miss this. If there is ONE THING that > > distinguishes OpenBSD from most other OSs out there, it is the fact that > > OpenBSD is the work of a small group of people following the lead of > > *one* person. There is no question of direction, there is no "five > > different products to accomplish same task, because we don't have the > > guts to make a decision and endorse just one". > > > > As has been pointed out repeatedly, OpenBSD developers develop the OS > > for their own use. If your uses are compatible with the developer's > > goals, OpenBSD is for you. If not, you quickly realize not to waste > > your time. You don't see OpenBSD flopping around without a clear > > direction. You don't end up wondering, "will they change directions to > > meet my goals, or will they abandon my goals?". > > > > If or when Theo decides the web site should be restructured, it will be > > restructured. If/when that happens, I would be very surprised if > > something other than one of two things were to happen: > > 1) Theo rebuilds it and says, "here's the new design". > > 2) Theo hires/selects ONE PERSON to redesign it, and looks at the > > result and says, "here is the new design" (or rips someone's head off). > > > > Committee design is NOT what we are about. You don't see contests for > > CD designs or release themes. > > > > Contrary to what some people think, we are not a web-design company. > > Our product is not a super-cool website. Our product is an OS we need > > and use. The website is just an information source about the product, > > maintained by software developers and documenters. When I write > > material to help other people with similar interests use OpenBSD, I'm > > not worried about if it uses the features of the best of the current > > crop of browsers, I want to get the information across effectively. I > > measure my success based on the information conveyed, not how pretty it > > is. I have reason to believe I do a half-way decent job at this. If > > someone wishes to prove they can do a better job, go for it, I'm sure > > Theo would love to have a more productive person doing what I do (and > > what he would like me to do that I'll never have time for). I won't > > fight it. I have not been bored in well over 20 years, I have NO > > problem occupying my time. BTW: quality of work will be judged on > > content, not "style". > > > > Nick.
