apt-get though seemingly simple, brings in shit load of libraries with names 
resembling alien species. Try doing a dpkg -l | wc -l and you'll get the idea. 
Even a default Debian system can have hundreds of libraries of dubious origins. 
Would I trust my important data to it? Definitely not.

Don't make the mistake of confusing "simplicity" with "minimal work", which I 
think is what you have been implying all along. OpenBSD is the most simple OS 
I've ever had the pleasure of working with - as I know I am always in control, 
as there are very few unknowns.

If you are serious about having a internet facing server with important data, 
then you should try OpenBSD. If it doesn't work, you always have a choice to 
move back to your favorite OS. Right tool for the job.

-ag

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On Apr 4, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Martin Braun <yellowgoldm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I used OpenBSD back in the 3.x days,
> 
>> The last 3.x release was 8 years ago.
>> Are you fucking serious?
> 
> Yup.
> 
>>> but eventually began using Debian
>>> because it was much easier to maintain
> 
>> Can you please give an example of a maintenance task
>> that is easier then the comparable/analogous task in OpenBSD?
>> Because I remember Debian kinda sucked when I used it in 1998.
> 
> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade between versions are pretty awesome.
> 
>> Seriously though, the reason for me (and many people apparently)
>> to use OpenBSD is the _extreme_simplicity_ of just about anything.
> 
> OpenBSD is great to use, but BSD's in general are not simplistic when it
> comes to package management, hence the reason why FreeBSD is developing the
> new pkg tool.. whiiiich is pretty much a clone of what apt does on Debian.
> 
> For me I remember when time was spend updating from one OpenBSD version to
> the next. So many hours. Debian was a fantastic relief back then and still
> is. However, this is without comparing security issues, but only talking
> about "simplicity".
> 
> 
> 2014-04-04 9:21 GMT+02:00 Jan Stary <h...@stare.cz>:
> 
>>> I used OpenBSD back in the 3.x days,
>> 
>> The last 3.x release was 8 years ago.
>> Are you fucking serious?
>> 
>>> but eventually began using Debian
>>> because it was much easier to maintain
>> 
>> Can you please give an example of a maintenance task
>> that is easier then the comparable/analogous task in OpenBSD?
>> Because I remember Debian kinda sucked when I used it in 1998.
>> 
>> Seriously though, the reason for me (and many people apparently)
>> to use OpenBSD is the _extreme_simplicity_ of just about anything.

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