On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 07:48:50PM -0400, John D. Verne wrote: > On Apr 4, 2014, at 18:06, Martin Braun <yellowgoldm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> I used OpenBSD back in the 3.x days, > > > >> The last 3.x release was 8 years ago. > >> Are you fucking serious? > > > > Yup. > > > >>> but eventually began using Debian > >>> because it was much easier to maintain > > > >> Can you please give an example of a maintenance task > >> that is easier then the comparable/analogous task in OpenBSD? > >> Because I remember Debian kinda sucked when I used it in 1998. > > > > apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade between versions are pretty awesome.
- Update with the bsd.rd kernel. - Follow the instructions http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade54.html - pkg_add -u > > > >> Seriously though, the reason for me (and many people apparently) > >> to use OpenBSD is the _extreme_simplicity_ of just about anything. > > > > OpenBSD is great to use, but BSD's in general are not simplistic when it > > comes to package management, hence the reason why FreeBSD is developing the > > new pkg tool.. whiiiich is pretty much a clone of what apt does on Debian. > > > > For me I remember when time was spend updating from one OpenBSD version to > > the next. So many hours. Debian was a fantastic relief back then and still > > is. However, this is without comparing security issues, but only talking > > about "simplicity". > > > Modern releases of OpenBSD are pretty easy and fast to update, especially > with sysmerge. I used to have a pretty custom setup, and upgrade time wasn't > my favourite (and so I skipped many releases...) But it is a lot easier these > days. > > You don't get precompiled patched kernels, though. This is the part that > takes the longest for me (assuming there are patches that require kernel > compiles) because my edge box isn't particularly fast. The package updating > wasn't much different than running apt-get. http://www.mtier.org/index.php/solutions/apps/openup/ > > It seems to me that the difference between Debian and OpenBSD (and I've used > both just as recently) is that one you update to reboot, and the other you > reboot to upgrade. time and effort seems about the same, these days. > > -- jdv > -- Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado http://juanfra.info
