On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 08:12:31AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: > On 10/19/15 04:24, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > > Hello misc@ > > > > I just noticed from the detailed changelog 5.7->5.8: > > http://www.openbsd.org/plus58.html > > that e.g tcopy, tip and lmccontrol were removed, but after upgrading from > > 5.7 to 5.8 I still have /usr/bin/tip, /usr/bin/tcopy and /sbin/lmccontrol > > in the filesystem, with old dates. > > > > The upgrade guide: > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade58.html > > listed files to remove concerning the removed sudo, but nothing about > > the utilities above. > > > > There are also more old files hanging around, e.g: > > /usr/bin/perl5.20.1 > > /usr/bin/perlthanks > > and in /usr/lib there are old versions of libtls, libssl, libkvm, libedit, > > libcrypt, libc, etc... > > > > I vaguely remember reading something about old libraries remaining after an > > upgrade, but can not find it now, at least not up front in the FAQ. > > > > So my question is; should these old utilities be removed after upgrading to > > 5.8? And what about old libraries? > > We used to have a little disclaimer that upgrading was not equivalent to > wiping and reloading with the new version; yes, stuff will get left > behind. It was decided the upgrade docs were too big and scary so that > was one of the things removed to shorten it up (see older versions, like > upgrade55.html, for example). > > Things that are out-right replaced (i.e., sudo) should be actively > deleted. Even if it still works after upgrade, some day it is going to > break, and you should be pushed to use the new application (or the > package of the old application). Things like tip? what's the point? > case 1) It still works. No harm done. > case 2) It no longer works. useless file on system...so what? > Either way...no harm.
I understand the policy. Sounds just fine to me. > > Library files are far more "interesting"...depending on the upgrade, > they still may work with old packages still on the system. Delete them, > you have broken the old packages before you got them upgraded, usually > no big deal, but sometimes, may really annoy you. > > Again... who cares? Yes, after ten upgrades, old libraries can start to > add up, but on a modern system, you will go through a lot of upgrades > before you can save a GB of data deleting old stuff. Just not worth the > trouble. > > Quoting upgrade55.html: > "However, the results are not intended to precisely match the results of > a wipe-and-reload installation. Old library files in particular are not > removed in the upgrade process, as they may be required by older > applications that may or may not be upgraded at this time. If you REALLY > wish to get rid of all these old files, you are probably better off > reinstalling from scratch." Aaah... There it was! > > If OCD is causing you to twitch at seeing the old files, reinstall...or > use this as a therapy. Therapy is working... I feel soothed. Thank you for the explanation! / Raimo > > Nick. -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
