On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:27:18PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote:
> On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote:
> >
> > > I have a simpler question: is there any plan to make installing
> > > xbase a requirement in the foreseeable future?
> >
> > no. nothing in {base,comp,man,misc,game,etc}XX.tgz depends on anything
> > from xbaseXX.tgz, and that is extremely unlikely to ever change.
> [...]
>
> Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an OpenBSD
> firewall or router without xbase a few years from now?
it will be just as it is now: you do't need xbase as long as you aren't
also installing packages that depend on something from xbase.
> With the release of 3.9, there seems to be a new trend among port
> maintainers to make running a systems without xbase a PITA: packages
> of console applications now depend on X at run time even though that
> could be avoided with minimal fuss (example: mrtg),
who is deciding what "minimal fuss" and "PITA" are? oh, yeah,
you, the same person who doesn't install xbase for space reasons,
but then builds ports instead of installing packages. IMO, you
aren't qualified to define "minimal fuss" and "PITA", since you
choose the PITA of building ports over the minimal fuss of installing
packages. and that's not just me deciding "minimal fuss" and "PITA",
that's from FAQ 15.
> compiling ports that
> don't depend on X at run time now requires X (example: nmap-no_x11),
this statement is incorrect. it is quite possible to build the
nmap-no_x11 package from ports without xbase being installed, you
just have to to be careful, as ports(7) says.
> and building ports without xbase is now unsupported (FAQ 15.4.1). So
this is nothig new.
> what I'm asking is: is all this an accident, or the new official policy?
> Will there be any effort put into making sure ports don't depend on X
> when that's reasonably feasible?
efforts are made all the time to avoid unnecessary dependencies.
that's part of the reason behind FLAVORs and SUBPACKAGEs.
> Does anybody still care?
on ports@, you've already accused people who disagree with you of
being "highly political". just exactly what is a statement like the
above intended to do? and just what does it mean, anyway?
> What's the official take on this?
what again is the problem with installing xbase, if you are installing
packages that depend on things from xbase?
and of course, you blame this on port maintainers, when the "problem"
that started this whole "discussion" is that the current version of
gd, a _graphics_ package, now depends on things from X.org, while the
old one didn't. I suppose you are making false statements and crying
all over the gd lists are well?
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