On 22 May 2006, Jacob Meuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:27:18PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote:
> > On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a simpler question: is there any plan to make
> > > > installing xbase a requirement in the foreseeable future?
> > >
> > > no. nothing in {base,comp,man,misc,game,etc}XX.tgz depends on
> > > anything from xbaseXX.tgz, and that is extremely unlikely to ever
> > > change.
> > [...]
> >
> > Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an
> > OpenBSD firewall or router without xbase a few years from now?
>
> it will be just as it is now: you do't need xbase as long as you
> aren't also installing packages that depend on something from xbase.
This is not how things used to be for many years, and it does make a
difference if no_x11 flavors are being slowly phased out.
> > With the release of 3.9, there seems to be a new trend among
> > port maintainers to make running a systems without xbase a PITA:
> > packages of console applications now depend on X at run time even
> > though that could be avoided with minimal fuss (example: mrtg),
>
> who is deciding what "minimal fuss" and "PITA" are? oh, yeah, you,
Well, passing two options to configure when building GD qualify
as "minimal fuss" to me. Do you need a committee to decide that?
Would the named committee reach a different conclusion after careful
deliberation?
> the same person who doesn't install xbase for space reasons, but
> then builds ports instead of installing packages. IMO, you aren't
> qualified to define "minimal fuss" and "PITA", since you choose the
> PITA of building ports over the minimal fuss of installing packages.
> and that's not just me deciding "minimal fuss" and "PITA", that's from
> FAQ 15.
Will you please cut the crap and address the point I'm making rather
than my wording, my reasons, my experience, my qualifications, and the
color of my dog? Thank you.
[...]
> > Does anybody still care?
>
> on ports@, you've already accused people who disagree with you of
> being "highly political".
Please check your attributions. I never said that.
[...]
> > What's the official take on this?
>
> what again is the problem with installing xbase, if you are installing
> packages that depend on things from xbase?
[...]
At this point, it's only a philosophical one. I just want to make
an informed decision when choosing my OS and my hardware configuration,
and I think a definitive statement about that would be useful for other
people too.
Regards,
Liviu Daia
--
Dr. Liviu Daia http://www.imar.ro/~daia
