On Wed, 24 May 2006 02:08:45 +0200 Jonathan Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So Ruby is slower than Python for your application. No, it is slower than Python for everything. Every single basic function of the language is slower, conditionals, loops, instantiating objects, calling methods, indexing arrays, string mangling, etc, etc. Ignoring the benchmarks because they are benchmarks doesn't change this. > >> The author does not say that Ruby is slow > > > > Yes he does. Unlike the legions of mindless rails drones, Matz doesn't > > try to pretend ruby is perfect. Here's a slide from his presentation > > talking about what sucks about ruby: > > http://www.rubyist.net/~matz/slides/rc2003/mgp00004.html > > This slide shows that Matz know's that Ruby is slow(er) but the > important question is how slow it is. Right, so as I said from the start, ruby is slow. And like I told you, even the author of ruby says ruby is slow. > The same argument can be made indeed be made for Ruby vs. Perl and in > some ways Python. Compare Ruby's OO vs. Perl's not to mention > MetaProgramming with Ruby. Just because perl's OO syntax is ugly, doesn't mean it makes using it slower. > I do not say that Ruby is incredible fast. I say that in most cases it > will be fast enough and you should benchmark yourself. Further I see > great increases in productivity, even compared with Python or Perl. No, you said its not slow. And it is slow. > This is no lie, this is my experience and opinion. It is a lie. Ruby is slow. The author of ruby even admits this. Claiming otherwise is lying. > Not true in my case. Because you are comparing writing CGIs in perl from scratch to using a framework like rails in ruby? > Again, speaking from my experience Ruby on Rails is more productive than > Catalist or Django, but that depends on your application and skills. If you already know ruby, sure you will be faster in rails. If you know more than one of the languages in question, or none of them, then rails is not faster at all. > I am using Rails over a year now so I do not think that the hype got > into me. Maybe tha anti-hype got into you. Or maybe I want people to know the truth so they realize the downsides and can make an informed decision? You are clearly making up nonsense to claim rails is the greatest thing in existance. I am saying there's lots of frameworks that do the same thing just as well. Which is more likely based on buying into hype? If you want to think I have bought into all the common sense hype, go right ahead. > I can only restate that the discussion is pointless at this stage as > none of us will change its opinion and personal attacks are starting to > replace rational arguments. But it will help other people see that rails is not magical, or special, or even particularly good. Just because you've invested too much time to be willing to see reality, doesn't mean other people won't decide to look into things themselves. If someone realizes catalyst, maypole, django, fins, trails and nitro (and more) are out there too, then the discussion helped someone. Pretending rails is the second coming of christ does not help anyone. Adam
