Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:18:06 -0700 Wakefield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spewed:
> >
> > > Again, speaking from my experience Ruby on Rails is more productive than
> > > Catalist or Django, but that depends on your application and skills.
> >
> > If you already know ruby, sure you will be faster in rails. If you
> > know more than one of the languages in question, or none of them, then
> > rails is not faster at all.
>
> So you agree? Regardless, you certainly seem to be a master of tautologies.
Agree with what?
That from his experience, Ruby on Rails is more productive for him.
You then went on to state essentially that if you have more experience
in Rails that you'll be more productive in it. Sounds like you agree.
> > But it will help other people see that rails is not magical, or special,
> > or even particularly good.
>
> Right -- Rails is not even good. Bias much?
Read it again. "particularly good". As in, it is no better than all
the other frameworks that do the same thing.
You're not a particularly good person. Now I understand your usage of
the phrase. I just said that you're no better of a person than others
like you.
Yes, I am biased towards
learning about all of the options, instead of pretending one of them
is better than the rest, when the only measurable factor shows its
not. What kind of bias makes people say things like "ruby is not slow"
even when presented with benchmarks, and the author of ruby saying
its slow too?
Let's say all you knew was Ruby on Rails and you had a project with a
tight deadline so you couldn't start learning other languages and
frameworks. In that circumstance, would Ruby be better than the rest?
Further, what if you knew multiple languages/frameworks but Ruby on
Rails most closely aligned with your level of comfort and your method
of thinking and high performance isn't a requirement of your
application? Wouldn't you use your Ruby in that circumstance? Or would
you force yourself to slog through a language/framework that is
awkward for you simply because it's not Ruby?
And since when do language benchmarks qualify as "the only measurable
factor"? Do you choose which language to use by looking at benchmarks
alone? If language X gives you a 2% performance boost over language Y,
does this "only measurable factor" make you switch languages? What if
you have years of experience in language Y? You throw it out because
of a benchmark?
> > Pretending rails is the second coming of christ does not help anyone.
>
> Of course... it's much preferable to pretend Rails is a strawman with
> Satan rammed up his asshole. May I recommend you remove your
> manure-colored glasses and look at tools like this for what they
> are... tools. If it makes you productive, great. If you're more
> productive in another tool, great.
May I recommend that you read first, and blindly defend someone else's
work second?
Right back at you, sport:
"You are clearly making up nonsense to claim rails is the
greatest thing in existance."
"Pretending rails is the second coming of christ does not help
anyone."
You're a veritable fountain of strawmen. Greatest thing in existence?
Second coming of christ? What orifice did you pull those from?
What have you invested in rails that makes you unable
to even see that all I said was "all the other frameworks are just as
good", and think I said "rails sux0rz"?
I know next to nothing about Rails. However, you seem to have a huge
agenda and can't admit the possibility that, under certain
circumstances, it's the most productive tool for some people to use.
If that is enough to make you go into a rabid frenzy defending rails,
then you might want to think about why.
Wow, you really are fascinating. How have I gone "into a rabid frenzy
defending rails"? Please detail the behaviors I have exhibited that
qualify, in your mind, as a rabid frenzy. Not that I expect you can.
You'll likely come back with some cheap ad hominem. That, or zealotry
explaining how you're the beacon of truth regarding frameworks.
All in all, it appears you just have an ax to grind against Ruby and
it bothers you when someone claims that it makes them productive. Why
is that?
-Nick
