hm.
I praised my favorite OS, I'm not going to bother reading the negatives
analyzing my words. thanks to those who understood the obvious spirit
of goodwill and appreciation my words intended, and for defending same.
Basically, restated, this OS rocks, use it, buy it, appreciate the
people who work on it, don't expect it to be around forever, which is
really saying don't take it for granted. they don't *have* to write
this for us, they are motivated by high-level intellect, invention,
exploration. and like a normal sysadmin, I have 60 machines I need to
get back to maintaining this morning.
p.s. it wasn't me who turned the 300K box into a door stop, it was the
greedy commercial OS vendor. If the firm I was working for (major US
bank would have taken my advice, I could have built them cluster, let's
see for $3,000 each node @300,000.00 budget that's 100 (one hundred)
64-bit machines each with redundant zippy brand 460W power supplies,
tyan thunder board w/ 2xGB onboard broadcom NICs, LSI-Logic RAID -dual
channel, 6 Fujitsu or Seagate 36GB 15K spin SCSI SCA disks, 4GB
micron/crucial RAM ECC REG, 2 AMD Opteron 270 dual core CPUs. Like I
did. And will do again. Toss in tools like memcached and even cpu or
mem hog apps like SAS or Java will fly happy and proud, for years and
years. Code on such a machine after 3 years of paying developers to
write it/ maintain/upgrade it is 5 million right? Yes. It is. I
bagged on the commercial vendor cause they built an OS that was
programmed to die, and had a 'you'll get what we give you' attitude.
(yes, I know SAS is more disk I/O intensive than cpu/mem, heh.)
It was a statement of comparative analysis based on 11 years of
experience, the point being OS's like OBSD and CentOS can run your whole
business better, more cost-effectively, and more predictably, than going
the commercial route. Why? This discipline, as high a learning curve
as it is, is finite, and based on math, science, and human cognition.
work it, you'll have a great time -there really is a simple, elegant,
drama free route. enjoy it while it lasts, the market is wily, it likes
to undermine us. stick together, debate for the sake of debate is a
waste. life is not TV. As Fez on "that 70's show" would say "I say
goooddday!"
-krb
Umnada Tyrolla wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Farrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:34 PM
To: Gabe; Der Engel; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: RE: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
'Hard to say'? That response means 'No, I didn't miss his
point, I just
want to be a hard-ass and then not really address it.'
I'm not avoiding the issue of ridiculous hyperbole or opensource project
skepticism.
He praised the OpenBSD project and those responsible for it... because
it's worth praising.
Riiiiiiiiiight. About both parts.
Can't someone say something nice here without it being picked apart?
The converse: Can something be picked apart even though it is not nice?
The Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.
I will end on a nice note (call it "Leading by Example")... I agree
completely with Karl's comments... OpenBSD rocks.
Werd.
Ducking,
Word.
Dan Farrell
Applied Innovations
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
Gabe
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:37 AM
To: 'Der Engel'; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
Hard to say. His message had a few different themes in it.
He spoke about his dedication to the binary machine arts, but then
confessed
to using an expensive machine as a "door stop"?
And, he praises the use he's gotten from OBSD and the list, but then
jinxes
it by questioning its direction and bringing up the issue of its
lifecycle.
I just wanted to bring up the issue of idle time versus cpu time.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Der Engel
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:31 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
Umnada,
Did you get his point?
On 1/4/07, Umnada Tyrolla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so,
well. -this
list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite
google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how
long will it
last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do
have an old
host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm
sure there are
those on this list with longer.
First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but
thanks. Secondly, I
think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage
time which says
what kind of machine you have.
You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not
some bragbox) says
what kind of software and hardware stresses have been
going. I've got over
5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all
pf,
spamassassin and mplayer. Not all.
