What shit are you talking about?
On Feb 18, 2008 2:01 PM, System Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 18 Feb 2008 at 10:16, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
>
> > On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his
> > own
> > > > code well enough to have completed it.
> > > > BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting
> > about
> > > > how you've put in your blood, sweat and tears, but forget to
> > > > understand the point that without us users you are nothing.
> > >
> > > Wow...
> > > People should inform themselves instead of writing things like
> > that.
> > > OpenBSD states very clearly that it has a developer culture, and
> > not
> > > an user one. Just be grateful for the code that you get FOR FREE.
> > > Also, if you feel that the project helps you, give something back
> > to
> > > the project (like code or donations) to keep it running, and to
> > keep
> > > it helping YOU.
> > > The developers code and share their code not because they want to
> > be
> > > famous or to receive accolades from the project's users, but
> > because
> > > they are solving the problems that they have an interest. They
> > don't
> > > own the users anything, instead, they give their code for free to
> > > whoever might find it useful.
> > >
> > > Is it so hard to understand that?
> >
> > Leonardo, I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, I've always paid
> > for it by buying CDs, unlike you who might have done an FTP install,
> > you're a cheap-skate aren't you.
>
> Mayuresh, do you honestly think that the few dollars you spent on that
> CD actually paid for any code, as in code development? Are you naove, a
> fool, or really that arrogant?
>
> It has been pointed out many times on this list, that CD sales do not
> even cover the electricity costs to keep the core infrastructure
> running. But given the size of those bills, the sales represent an
> important subsidy, allowing to literally "keep the lights on". And I do
> not need auditor's reports to confirm that assertion not because I'm
> gullible, but because I know from personal experience of running a
> similar business just how true it is. Moreover, I know how much time
> and money will be sucked out of the project to generate accounting
> reports.
>
> Now, to hopefully put an end to these useless rants, let me rephrase
> something the others have tried to explain to you:
>
> You can only expect and demand any level of professional performance
> from your _employees_ (or subcontractors), i.e. when you are
> specifically and directly responsible for paying their livelihood.
> Anything else is a mutually convenient arrangement that _either_ party
> is free to terminate at any time. Actually, since slavery and bonded
> servitude have been abolished all over the world, even employment is
> "at will" and your employees may and sometimes will quit without
> completing _your_ goals.
>
> To use your own example to elaborate: Did Ted ever acccept any funding
> from you for which he specifically promised any concrete deliverables?
> I very much doubt that. Did you make a fundamental business mistake by
> undertaking a business venture so reliant on his contribution without
> making any effort to assure that his contribution will be completed and
> forthcoming in accordance with your business' schedule? Absolutely.
> Well, all the rantings against the project, Ted or any other developer,
> will not rectify _your_ mistake, nor change the fact the _you_ made
> such a critical mistake in _your_ business venture. (Next time you
> start building your dream house, make sure you have a complete and
> solid foundation.)
>
> > Go buy yourself a CD set, contribute to the OpenBSD foundation, or
> > better still, since you are talking about flying pigs, go code up a
> > good application in C for OpenBSD or enhance an existing one.
> >
> > ~Mayuresh
> >
> >
>
>
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