Dear Peer, On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:52:04 +0200, Peer Janssen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Is there another way to buy those cool wireframe-puffy stickers, than >>>> from >>>> kd85? >>>> I need something to cover my 'new' laptop. :-( >>> >>> >> This is something I am curious about as well, new laptops look bare >> without Puffy on the lid > > I guess Wim would be more than happy to sell his stock of stickers and > T-Shirts, and especially those who believe in his sincerity, and others > who might be interested in selling these items, might want to extend a > hand, buying off his products, to help him rebuild lost trust, depending > of course on how he will spend future proceeds of his OpenBSD related > sales. > > As far as I am concerned, he did indeed in a certain session help me > getting into and getting startet with the system and some technical > details of it, so I cannot affirm that he didn't do anything to promote > OpenBSD. > Promotion is not only developing, but also, well, promotion; there are > complete businesses around that concept to help projects grow, so I > don't see why his stickers and T-shirts would have been completely > useless to the project (which cannot be reduced to the financial side). > They create questions and discussions, so they spread awareness about > the project's existence. > What anybody does do constructively should not be depreciated.
I do not know Wim personally. WeB4ve exchanged some emails, and occasionally phoned each other. He might not *be* OpenBSD europe, but heck, heB4s one hell of a promoter! IB4ve never seen a guy promote something the way he does. And believe me, thatB4s a big heads up! > > Of course, generally speaking, engagements (contractual or otherwise) > should always be honored, otherwise society and economy just cannot > function. > > I don't know the details of agreements and what happened behind the > scenes of the new-user-view I captured, but I know that anybody might > (whithout bad intend, that is) miscalculate public interest in a > product, be inexperienced in appreciating the need of accountability, > have different views of how the better world he wants to create should > look like, the necessary degree of formalisation of procedures, err in > the appreciation of the degree of project-relatedness of his actions, > the optimal management of his personal time, etc., add to that events > and desired direction of your personal life, family, The Crisis(tm), > etc., and many undesirable things can happen to anybody. > > Of course, I understand Theos side, he gave a lot of infos in these > threads, while Wim seems to be absorbed by something at the moment. Thinking this could be the fact heB4s pissed, because he is accused by the thing he spends most of his time on. Lemme say this, from what I know, heB4s gathering evidence ATM, so he can prove heB4s a worthy and honest person. > Interestingly, securing a system needs unflagging acute awareness of > what comes in and what of it you want to keep or reject (it's a bit what > our belly does when we eat, and what our mind should always do when we > learn anything; so that poisons can't slip in). This attitude shows in > how he manages this situation (and his life indeed), so we see extremely > clear expressions of his views and how he wants to proceed. Some more > emotion-oriented people find this rude, but if they stick to the facts, > I'm sure they will calm down a lot. (Of course, personal flaws could > likewise express themselves in a project.) It also should not be > forgotten that there could be attack vectors to the project as a whole, > one aspect of which is public perception of trust, honesty and > reliability, and he obviously cares about that. > > The complete picture doesn't seem to be known publicly (and doesn't > necessarily need to be) and not even individually to anybody, so nobody > should'n rush to conclusions and add unnecessary hardships to any side. > I noticed worrying signs that the situation could go out of hand in a > way that some might really regret later what they said and caused to > each other. As long as there is no complete and also personal > reconciliation -- by dialogue and necessary action taken --, this is not > solved. (It might take some time and doesn't need to be public.) I would rephrase that. I think it *needs* to be done privately. Really. > > On a more general note, I'd like to say that even if any of my brothers > (e.g. every human being) at times fails -- and this happens to everybody > -- , small or big-time, he will always be my brother. Everybody has to > do his own part, his own self-improvement, and we also need to support > each other, whatever happens. We are just one humanity. Some allow > themselves to look down to others, but this is never justified; they can > never know for sure that they wouldn't have done worse if they had been > in the other one's life and situation. Whoow! Nicely said! I do not believe in some sort of God, or creature who "made" us (human beings), but I believe in the human kind, freedom, and the open source spirit (and of couse joyce, my GF). Just like you said, everybody makes mistakes at some time. To quote a wise person "what doesnB4t kill you makes you stronger". People learn from mistakes, they just need the will to apply the learned stuff. I honestly believe, that if this whole thing is real, Wim will learn from it, and avoid these things in the rest of his life. I am not choosing sides, but I honestly believe we are doing wrong by humiliating Wim this way. He doesnB4t deserve this, nor any of you. Just let "mummy and daddy" talk about this, and letB4s hope it getB4s solved the right way. On a final note, Theo, you are accusing Wim of holding down some money, for his own gains. However, you want the money, to have your salary paid. I might be wrong, but isnB4t that sort of the same thing? > > Take care > Peer Warmest regards, Jeroen Janssen
