On 23:54, Thu 09 Apr 09, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi misc@, > > some days ago, i publicly asked Wim to tell me what he did with the > donation i sent him via IBAN for the OpenBSD project, whether he kept > it or whether he passed it on to the project, see the posting included > below. On his website > http://accounting.kd85.com/ > you can still read, at the time of the present posting: > > > Now Theo claims *I* kept donation money while all of it was > > transferred to his German IBAN account. [...] > > All donations that came in (IBAN transfer and credit card) > > were transferred to Theo and I have all the transaction receipts. > > The posting cited below started a private communication involving Wim > and myself and consisting of several mails. Since it was a private > communication, i'm not going to publish any details, but i feel that i > should provide a rough summary to the list, regarding the central > question where the particular donation money went that i sent via IBAN > to Belgium in October 2007. > > Wim first told me that he still kept those 2.000 EUR on one of his bank > accounts in Belgium; later he claimed that he had already sent those > 2.000 EUR to Theo; and finally, he sent 2.120 EUR back to me, that is the > full amount of the donation plus 4% interest for one and a half years. > Those 2.120 EUR arrived on my bank account today. I have already > forwarded those 2.120 EUR to the official OpenBSD donations account > in Munich, where they belong, even though they're now 18 months late > to fund the p2k7 hackathon in Hungary. > > Even though i repeatedly asked for bank statements of the donations > account, the only bank statement Wim has shown to me is the bank > statement regarding the refund of the 2.120 EUR on April 7, 2009. > By the way, even though i sent the donation to a private, non-business > donations account, account holder "OpenBSD", the refund arrived from a > business account, account holder "kd85.com", actually the very account i > have been paying my OpenBSD CDs and T-Shirts to during the last few years. > One can only speculate what this might mean, but two possible explanations > could perhaps be: > - Wim might have mixed donation money into his kd85.com business money. > or > - Wim might have kept the donation money privately and might now pay > the refunds out of company money in order to force bankruptcy > of kd85.com. That might seem useful in order to avoid paying > company debts. > Again, this is purely speculative, there could as well be different, > harmless explanations. Unfortunately, i am forced to speculate because > Wim so far refuses to show anybody any bank statements of the donations > account. To understand better whether kd85.com is flourishing or > whether he is rather trying to run the business into the ground, it > might help to study the kd85.com balance sheets published on the web. > > The only thing i definitely know is that the web site says he sent all > donations to the project, that he then switched his explanations three > times in a row and finally sent my donation back to me. As i have seen > no bank statements, i'm not sure about donations given by other people, > but i see little evidence that anybody else, including Wim, fully > understands what happened to all those donations he collected. > > Thus, everybody who ever gave or sent Wim any donation to be transferred > to the OpenBSD project, whether by bank transfer or whether given in > cash, for example at a booth on a conference, should consider asking Wim > for a refund plus interest, and then transfer the total amount either to > the official OpenBSD donations account in Munich, run by Theo de Raadt, > see www.openbsd.org, or to the OpenBSD Foundation, > see www.openbsdfoundation.org. Given the way Wim is currently handling > the donations, this appears to be the only way to quickly get your > donation to the project right now. At least it worked for me. > > Please do not ask for refunds of credit card donations. Those have > always been processed in a completely transparent way by The Computer > Shop of Calgary and passed to Theo, who has been spending them on the > OpenBSD project, as no doubt you hoped when you gave them. > > When asking Wim for a refund, be sure to Cc: <[email protected]> > such that Theo knows what's being discussed. When transferring > the refund to the donations account in Munich, state in the > reference text when and by which means the original donation > had been transferred to Wim, and when and by which means it was > refunded.
while this might be true for you, I have a totally different experience. I also saw some info about donation money and some receipts that show very clearly the money went to theo. My main problem is that I can see money flowing from the middle-man to theo, but dont see where the money is spent from there. I know it's none of my business because donations go to the project and theo is the one to decide but I cannot tell if it went into a bigass car for theo or into hardware for developers (replace car with house/food/bike/laptop/whatever) damn you, you made me make a statement like this in public. I'm very happy how stuff went with kd85 and I got info about what happened with my money and it's exactly as it was advertised on both the official openbsd website as on wim's website. Why send theo a CC if you have trouble with kd85 ? Are you also cc-ing theo if you have trouble with your local pizza joint because it takes you some time to get in touch with them personally so you cant spend that time on openbsd development ? If you have trouble with kd85 it's an issue between them and you, and noone cares cept you and kd85. btw, did you call Wim ? Everytime I dail his number I get him on the phone and he's willing to explain stuff. Maybe you should try that as well. His number is listed on his website. -- Michiel van Baak [email protected] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
