On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:31:00AM +0200, Michiel van Baak wrote:

> My main problem is that I can see money flowing from the middle-man to
> theo, but dont see where the money is spent from there.
> I know it's none of my business because donations go to the project and
> theo is the one to decide but I cannot tell if it went into a bigass car
> for theo or into hardware for developers (replace car with
> house/food/bike/laptop/whatever)
> 
> damn you, you made me make a statement like this in public.

I really don't understand.  people giving donations to OpenBSD presumably
use, or most likely, rely on OpenBSD.  OpenBSD comes out of Theo's
basement, literally.  do you read every line of code?  do you dissasemble
the binaries?  what I'm getting at is, you trust in Theo, or do you?
and if you care about what happens with the money once Theo gets it,
don't you care that Theo actually gets it?

> I'm very happy how stuff went with kd85 and I got info about what
> happened with my money and it's exactly as it was advertised on both the
> official openbsd website as on wim's website.
> 
> Why send theo a CC if you have trouble with kd85 ?
> Are you also cc-ing theo if you have trouble with your local pizza joint
> because it takes you some time to get in touch with them personally so
> you cant spend that time on openbsd development ?

poor example.  here's a better, similar example.

in my city there is a restaurant delivery service.  they advertise
with the names, logos, and menus of local restaurants.  you place
an order with them, they forward it to the restaurant, pick it up
and deliver it to you.  now, if they would take your order and your
money, but never deliver your food, don't you think the restaurant
would want to know that a) they lost business and b) someone is using
their name to defraud people?

> If you have trouble with kd85 it's an issue between them and you, and
> noone cares cept you and kd85. 

huh?  the are donations are for OpenBSD, not kd85.  why is this hard
to understand?

> btw, did you call Wim ? Everytime I dail his number I get him on the
> phone and he's willing to explain stuff. Maybe you should try that as
> well. His number is listed on his website.

from what Ingo wrote, I think it would be a good idea to record those
calls.

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> 
> Michiel van Baak
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> 

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