I wonder at a time when we are told the ice caps are melting and that the earth is heating up, why are we spending 88 MILLION on a ship designed to break ice when the heat of the earth is going to do that for us. Shouldn't we be building a ship that will cool down the earth's water so our available swimming water is at a comfortable temperature to swim in instead of being like a hot tub.
On a lighter note how would every one like to meet out in the open for our next meeting say a park or something ?? On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM, D L Wells <kcrecyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just sitting here seething about the two Socialist-Fascist Missouri > Republicans that voted YES for the bailout: > > *Roy Blunt and > Joanne Emerson > * > http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h1424/show > > What a travesty. > > Deb Wells > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:43 AM, John M Bubb <jmb...@att.net> wrote: > >> Well, as Boortz points out, we're not seeing much recovery. As the >> imbecile Socialist-Fascists could point out if they were to acknowlege this, >> only a small fraction of the "stimulus" counterfeit has been spent yet (you >> can guess whose buddies got the FRN's first). >> >> In fact, it all takes time. As anyone with the faintest notion of >> economics knows, the "stimulus" is not going to cause recovery, it will >> prevent it, and make it so much worse. >> >> But as I said, little of it has been spent yet. It will take time. This >> gives us TWO opportunities: >> >> 1. Relentlessly plan and provide for your own safety, along with >> others who are on the correct side of this. >> 2. It gives us time to CONTINUE to SPREAD THE TRUTH about this ugly >> evil - MAYBE WE CAN EVEN FORESTALL MOST OF THIS UGLY MESS. >> >> We are making progress. But a lot of confused people are springing up >> now, who do not understand the truth of the causes or cures. Some believe >> that if they were in charge and doing the same stuff, that would somehow be >> good. It won't. We must KNOW / LEARN (and for many of us the learning is >> just starting, and that's good too!) the truth and pass it on, RELENTLESSLY. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* mo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mo...@googlegroups.com]*on Behalf >> Of *fbelli...@yahoo.com >> *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2009 3:30 PM >> *To:* MLC Google Group; Young Conservatives >> *Cc:* ACMN; Campaign for Liberty-SGF; Missouri C4L; rl...@yahoogroups.com; >> Savage Group >> *Subject:* [MOC4L] Neal Boortz - How's the Stimulus Working for You? >> >> >> http://townhall.com/columnists/NealBoortz/2009/07/06/hows_the_stimulus_working_for_you_so_far >> >> How's the stimulus working for you so far? >> Neal Boortz >> Monday, July 06, 2009 >> Well now. Our economy is really lunging forward, isn’t it? What a ride! >> Are you holding on? We’re billions of dollars further in debt >> (trillions?) and the economy is still stagnant. TARP, the stimulus bill, >> massive debts our children and grandchildren will have to pay .. and what >> has this all brought us? Banks aren’t lending, businesses aren’t hiring – >> let along expanding – and consumers aren’t buying. Oh, to be sure, the malls >> are crowded. Turn up the thermostats and see how long that lasts. Those >> aren’t shoppers, they’re just your neighbors trying to stay cool while >> watching the latest absurd teen fashion and freak shows. Do what the >> initials SNAFU mean? That word was created to define government action, or >> inaction as the case may be. In 1942 Time magazine carried this revelation: >> "Last week U.S. citizens knew that gasoline rationing and rubber >> requisitioning were snafu.” Well .. if there was ever a SNAFU, our economy >> would fit the description. To fully understand this, you have to know what >> the acronym stands for. Go ahead … Google it. >> <http://magazine.townhall.com/beck> So >> … after hundreds of billions of dollars, government seizures of GM, >> Citigroup and others, imminent bank nationalization, massive favors handed >> to unions at the expense of private investors, and a pantload of new czars >> in the White House … all done to kick start our economy … what do we have. >> SNAFU, that’s what. Or TAUFU, if you like. Look … I’m just a talk show >> host. What the hell do I know? I’ve been sitting behind a microphone for 40 >> years now sparring with hundreds of thousands of callers who generally knew >> a helluva lot more than the hundreds of politicians I’ve interviewed over >> that time. Having said that … I’m betting that this particular talk >> show host can, in just a few hundred words, give you some better ideas for >> kick starting our economy than you’ve heard from Obama and his Democrat >> sycophants over the past four months. Oh, and throw in most of the >> Republicans as well. It’s not all that hard, really. All you have to do >> is recognize and acknowledge the true goal of the political class. It’s >> summed up in one word: POWER. You think they actually give a flying Krispy >> Kreme about you? What? I know you were born at night, but was it last night? >> They may care about your vote .. but that’s it. It’s power, my friends. >> Power and little else. Politicians will spout some lofty rhetoric about >> public service and wanting to leave this country a better place when they >> leave office; but, with few exceptions, that changes rather quickly. Once >> they get used to the privileges and the perks that go with their exalted >> positions their mindset changes. These people don’t name research centers, >> bridges, parks, sports stadiums, university buildings, highways and office >> buildings after themselves because of their dedication to public service. >> Where does that leave us? It leaves us in a situation where the people in >> power, the people who make the rules and decide how our economy is going to >> be fixed, are going to worry first about preserving and expanding their >> power and secondly (if they have time) about putting us back on a track to >> prosperity. The basics: What does it take to get our economy moving >> again? Spending. If nobody is spending nobody needs to produce. You aren’t >> going to gather the raw materials and personnel together to spend time and >> money creating a product or service unless you have some degree of >> confidence that there are people out there who either have or can borrow the >> money to buy it. Our economy is a constant day-by-day election process. The >> products and services put into the marketplace are the candidates. Consumers >> are the voters. Dollars are the ballots. If a candidate gets no votes, the >> candidate either reinvents himself or just simply goes away. The whole >> process slows down or grinds to a halt if the voters don’t have ballots to >> cast. Clearly, to stimulate our economy money had to be spent. That’s >> basic. The question, then, was who gets to spend the money? If the American >> public gets to make the choices as to when and where the money is spent, >> that equates to power for the people. If, on the other hands, those >> decisions are made by the political class, it means no power to the people – >> the power goes to the elected elite. Now would someone please try to explain >> to me why these politicians, as completely immersed as they are in building >> their individual power bases, would ever want to turn over the power that >> goes with spending these huge sums of money to the great unwashed? How in >> the world is that going to benefit a politician? How do you generate a >> campaign ad for radio telling the voters that you deserve reelection because >> the private consumers in your district kept the local hardware store and a >> few clothing shops in business with their spending? Better you should be >> able to lay claim to a few road widening and resurfacing projects and a new >> rehearsal hall for the local high school band. Do you remember how much >> that stimulus bills was? Let’s just call it $750 billion. For the sake of >> argument let’s accept that this $750 billion had to be borrowed and spent to >> get our economy cranking again. Once you’ve accepted the $750 billion figure >> we’re going to borrow, you then have to decide just who gets to spend that >> money and what they get to spend it on. Here’s an idea from Texas >> congressman Louis Gohmert (R 1st Dist.). Gohmert wanted a tax holiday. I’ve >> taken his idea and expanded it a bit. Last year Gohmert was floating an idea >> of allowing the American people to go one full month without paying any >> federal income or payroll taxes. The idea was that they would then spend >> this money and stimulate the economy. When Obama started talking about the >> $750 billion dollar stimulus price tag I did some quick calculations. It >> seems that $750 billion is almost exactly equal to the amount of federal >> income, Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from American paychecks >> over a six-month period. Are you following me? How about not a >> one-month tax holiday, but six months? How about letting people keep almost >> their entire paychecks for one-half of a year? So -- here are the two >> possible scenarios our politicians had to work with: 1. Borrow the $750 >> billion and let the politicians (the looters) decide how it is going to be >> spent to stimulate our economy. 2. Give the producers a six month >> period in which they owe no federal income or payroll taxes. For these six >> months they get to keep their checks. This puts $750 billion into the hands >> of American workers – American producers – to spend and invest. Either >> way you are going to have to borrow $750 billion. If you give the people a >> six-month tax holiday the money will have to be borrowed to replace the lost >> revenue. You see it, don’t you? There is one huge difference between >> the two plans. Under the government spending scenario the politicians get to >> decide how the money is spent. In other words, they get the power. Remember >> … power is the goal. It’s everything to the political class. Politicians >> wanted to decide which road is built, which park is refurbished, and which >> research project gets additional funding. Every one of these decisions would >> be made based on the political capital it will generate. Under the tax >> holiday plan the people, not the politicians, get to cast the >> ballots/dollars. Spending choices would not be made on the basis of >> political expediency, but on the free choices of the people. Businesses that >> delivered a good product and good customer service would get the votes, not >> politicians who delivered a pork project to their districts. A dollar >> spent on a new lawnmower at the hardware store does not generate a single >> vote. A dollar spent on a new job mowing grass along an Interstate highway >> does. So … there was a decision to be made. Massive amounts of money >> were going to be borrowed and spent to stimulate our economy (or so the >> storyline went). But just who would get to spend the money? Do you >> remember that famous Bill Clinton line? It was January of 1999. The place >> was Buffalo, New York. The federal government had actually collected more >> tax money that it needed. There was a surplus. Someone asked Clinton if, >> considering the surplus, there might be a tax cut. His response: "We could >> give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't >> spend it right, here's what's going to happen.” He then went on to describe >> the gloomy future of Social Security when more people are collecting >> benefits than paying taxes. Sure .. it’s your money. You worked for it; >> you earned it. That money actually represents the expenditure of a portion >> of your life … and here’s this politician telling you that even though he >> doesn’t actually need that money right now, he’s going to go ahead and keep >> it because if he returns it to its rightful owner – you – then you won‘t >> “spend it right.” Now excuse me, but don’t you get to decide what would be >> the right way and the wrong way to spend your money? You know the rest >> of this story. The politicians in Washington decided that they would be >> doing the spending, not you. You just could not be trusted to spend it >> “right.” So President Obama sent the word to Princess Pelosi to gather >> together all of the spending dreams and schemes of her Democrat members of >> congress and compile them into a massive spending bill. The bill would be >> pure pork and designed for nothing more than to secure reelections; but it >> would be called stimulus. Now I could waste a few thousand words here >> describing all of the absurd ways this money is being spent. Vice President >> Biden actually told us that there would be waste. He was talking to business >> leaders in New York in early June when he said that waste would be >> inevitable in spending the stimulus money. Inevitable doesn’t begin to cover >> it. OK … just a few examples: • $650 million for digital television >> converter boxes • $248 million for furniture at Homeland Security’s >> offices • $850 million to manage Forest Service lands • $88 million to >> design an icebreaker (a ship, not clever bar conversation) • $150 million >> for facilities at the Smithsonian Now tell me .. just how are these >> projects going to stimulate our economy? But, on the other hand, what if >> this money was in the hands of the people who earned it? They could be >> buying new flat-screen televisions instead of converter boxes. The new >> furniture could be for our living rooms instead of government offices. The >> money spent to manage Forest Service lands (what stimulus!) could be spent >> to develop privately-owned property. The icebreaker money could be spent by >> those who earned it on a new fishing boat or a cruise. And the $150 million >> for the Smithsonian could have been spent on visits to local museums and >> attractions .. as chosen by the people. I walk through the shopping >> malls and drive down the streets distressed over the numbers of closed >> businesses and empty storefronts. Each closed business is lost jobs and >> shattered dreams. Each shuttered window is a hole in our economy. Government >> spending on digital converter boxes, icebreakers and managing Forest Service >> lands weren’t going to keep these businesses open. $750 billion in extra >> dollars in the hands of American consumers might, though, have done the >> trick. Come on, folks. Try to think with that part of your brain you >> developed after government schools. This whole spending boondoggle wasn’t >> designed to get our economy going again. It was designed to increase the >> size and power of our Federal government and to inoculate the political >> class against voter disgust. These are people who think that America is >> great because of government; and the more government we have the better >> America is. This is why the stimulus money had to be spent by the government >> sector … not the ordinary, hard-working masses. We just could not be trusted >> to spend that money the “right” way; and the right way, of course, is in an >> effort to strengthen government. In the meantime … step outside and >> smell the stimulus. It’s really doing the job, isn’t it? Yup. Government >> always knows best … especially when it comes to spending our money. The >> people who made this decision will stand for reelection next year. You will >> look at the 435 members of the U.S. House of Representatives and tell >> yourself that 434 of those rascals just have to go. Every one except yours. >> The >> rascals know this. 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