> #### > > Lets continue to think the "another beta" idea. What do wee need for it > to make it real? > > I think we need to adopt the sound source branch as 1.12.1 alpha. We > need to provide test build for all targets. > A desired schedule could be a beta releasecontemporaneous with the > 1.12.0 release.
There might be a misconception here. Owen wants to do a beta and not a alpha release. If we now do another alpha release it will only delay 1.12 further. > > @rryan: When do you think you find the time to fix the build server? This is the real blocker for a 1.12 release for about a year now. For some reason everytime we want to cut a beta release the build-server shuts down. Unfortunately there is not much sense in discussing anything about a release-date until we have a working build-server back to ship out beta-builds on all platforms. > There is a pending optimization issue. > Can you setup a 1.12.1 alpha branch as well? Thank you! > > I hope we find a significant number of beta tester that is willing to > test 1.12.0 beta and short after 1.12.1. > > #### > > @Owen: Do you have access to a Mac build environment? If yes it would be > nice if you jump in until RJ finds time to setup the build server. > You may verify that the Uwes branch compiles an works for you. > I think this is also the best way to get a feeling about the state of > quality of the branch. > > Any other ideas or comments? > > Kind regards, > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 17.04.2015 um 18:12 schrieb RJ Ryan: >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Owen Williams <owilli...@mixxx.org >> <mailto:owilli...@mixxx.org>> wrote: >> >> Uwe, I truly appreciate the work that you have done on the sound >> source >> API. It's an important change and it does fix some long-standing >> issues. The choice has never been between merging the code or >> throwing >> it away. >> >> Based on the risks and benefits and our experience with long debugging >> periods after major feature merges, the prudent choice is to keep the >> current soundsource API for the 1.12 release. Once it's out the door, >> then we can immediately look at merging the new API. And as far >> as I'm >> concerned, as soon as it's stable, we can do another beta right away. >> >> I know it's frustrating to have a feature not make it into a release, >> but it's a self-perpetuating problem. Because releases are rare, >> we all >> want everything we do in the next release. Merging everything in >> slows >> down the release cycle, and the cycle repeats. If we released more >> often, it'd be easier to allow a feature to miss a release, and >> releases >> would speed up. Therefore, to stop the current cycle of non-releases, >> we have to agree to hold off on merging this code until after 1.12. >> >> I honestly believe that not merging this code now will make it >> possible >> to release this code *sooner*! >> >> >> +1 >> >> >> >> Owen >> >> On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 10:55 +0200, Uwe Klotz wrote: >> > Just some words from my side. I really don't want to give any >> > recommendations to you, because I'm biased ;) >> > >> > The NewSoundSourceAPI branch has gone through many iterations and >> > Daniel spent a LOT of time reviewing my code very thoroughly. He >> also >> > provided the key ideas to fix the MP3 decoding issues! During >> the last >> > months the code base has become pretty stable and we have not >> > discovered any severe defects lately. It is secured by new tests for >> > many codecs and moreover the critical parts of the code are >> guarded by >> > lots of debug assertions that should indicate potential issues or >> > wrong assumptions early during development in debug builds. >> > >> > Of course, I would feel much safer if the new code had been >> tested by >> > experienced developers first before rushing it out to the public. On >> > the other hand, I personally never switched back to master >> without any >> > regrets after what I have found there! >> > >> > Main features: >> > * API: Floating-point sample processing >> > * API: Explicit notion of #channels instead of implicitly assuming >> > always stereo >> > * Update, optimization or even re-implementation (MP3, FLAC, >> > AAC/M4A, ...) of audio decoding >> > * Many metadata improvements (parsing, character encoding) >> > >> > Open issues: >> > * Windows build with SoundSourceMediaFoundation >> > * OS X build with SoundSourceCoreAudio >> > >> > Uwe >> > >> > On 04/17/2015 09:25 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Owen, >> > > >> > > We have collected some test results, they are proving that the new >> > > sound source branch is more reliable then the master solution. >> > > >> > > We have no hints for the opposite. >> > > >> > > >> > > So IMHO is worth to consider the 1.12 merge again. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Yes, master the sound source api has not changed since 1.11, but >> > > Mixxx 1.12 actually makes a difference since it use a lot of seeks >> > > when using the new shiny >> > > >> > > beat matching algorithms. >> > > >> > > They simply fail with effected mp3 tracks. User may blame the >> > > syncing code in the first place. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I hope we will get some results from Ryan Kramer before the >> desired >> > > beta date. >> > > >> > > >> > > We are still looking for a user that is able to test the Mac >> > > builds. >> > > >> > > It would be nice, if we could provide build server builds for the >> > > sound source branch. This would allow much more users to run a >> > > test. >> > > >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > >> > > Daniel >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > 2015-04-17 1:42 GMT+02:00 Owen Williams <owilli...@mixxx.org >> <mailto:owilli...@mixxx.org>>: >> > > On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 21:40 +0200, Daniel Schürmann wrote: >> > > > Hi Owen, >> > > > >> > > > beta before May 16th should be possible. >> > > > >> > > > We have a remaining blocker, the mp3 off beat, click and >> > > distortion issues. >> > > >> > > The current mp3 and soundsource code is the same as in the >> > > current 1.11 >> > > release, so by definition it's not really a blocker >> since we >> > > already >> > > have a release with that same code. Yes, it's a bug, >> but it >> > > shouldn't >> > > block the beta or release. We've already discussed this >> > > issue. >> > > >> > > >> > > > This and the fact that no on is working on a back >> port is >> > > a good hint >> > > > that we should merge >> > > > Uwes branch before beta. >> > > >> > > That no one wants to work on a back port for the mp3 fixes >> > > is not an >> > > argument in favor of a premature merge. I am happy to >> make >> > > the >> > > soundsource review a priority after we do the release. >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > The other issue that does not itches me but might be >> very >> > > bad for the >> > > > Mixxx reputation at all, is >> > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1441046 >> > > > "Mixxx 1.12: library unusable slow spinning HD Win 8.1 >> > > notebook" >> > > > IMHO this does no block the beta, but the release. >> > > > Does anyone else experience this? >> > > >> > > Since we are unable to reproduce this issue, it definitely >> > > shouldn't >> > > block the beta. If anything we're more likely to get bug >> > > reports that >> > > will help us identify the issue. >> > > >> > > > >> > > > It would be also nice if we can merge the pending fading >> > > and clicking >> > > > issues in engine buffer. >> > > > @Owen will you find time for decide over the pending >> > > questions? >> > > >> > > These are low priority bugs and should not block beta. >> > > >> > > The last blocker bugs we fixed were the issue with >> canceled >> > > library >> > > scans breaking the library, and the soundtouch crash. >> That >> > > sort of >> > > data-loss bug and party-crasher are what I mean by >> blockers. >> > > >> > > The only other one I can think of is the issue with win64 >> > > builds >> > > crashing on a lot of systems, but we might just have >> to tell >> > > people to >> > > expect that problem and help us get feedback to fix it. >> > > >> > > owen >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > BPM Camp - 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