On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 06:43 +0200, Bernhard Praschinger wrote:
> Hallo
> 
> >>> I call this thing "snow" because I really cannot find another word.
> >>> Sorry, I don't speak english!
> >> Do you know which commands are used to encode the video ?
> > Here are the default commands:
> What other commands are used ? And what command do you use for encoding?

They are the actual commands used, except for the bitrates and
interlace: I can get the command lines with "ps" but much easier
executing kino in a terminal (it dumps a lot of lines on the terminal).
> 
> > mpeg2enc -v 0 -f 8 -I 1 -n p -a 2  -o '/tmp/prova'.mpv
> > mp2enc -v 0  -r 48000 -b 224 -o '/tmp/prova'.mp2'
> > mplex -v 0 -f 8 -o '/tmp/prova'.mpeg '/tmp/prova'.mpv '/tmp/prova'.mp2'
>  >
> > I only modify the bitrate (9000k for video, 128k for audio). Also,
> > kino's options "deinterlace=none" sets -I 1 instead, and usually I don't
> > deinterlace, so I set -I 0. But this is not the point, the results are
> > the same.
> 
> If you dont know the whole command line do while exporting a "ps ax" or 
> a similar command you should find a mpeg2enc and some other commands 
> that look like that:
>   7868 pts/4    S+     0:00 lav2yuv ...
>   7869 pts/4    S+     0:00 yuvscaler -I ACTIVE_540x384+0+96
>   7870 pts/4    Rl+    0:02 mpeg2enc ...
> 
> 
> >> Which version of the mjpegtools do you use ?
> > 1.8.0 on Lenny
> That version is very old. (About 5 years). Please update your mjpegtools 
> version to 1.9.0 (1,5 year old)

I'll do it as soon as possible.
> 
> >>> I can provide a very small picture that illustrate the problem, but I
> >>> guess I cannot post them as an attachment. Let me know if I can, or
> >>> maybe I'll send it to whoever answer.
> >> Posting a image would be very helpful. If possible once the original and
> >> once the encoded picture
> >
> > I can attach a very small picture which shows the problem not for
> > people, but for the date of the tape which is usually on the bottom
> > right corner: this picture makes much simpler to explain what I mean.
> >
> > For the original one at present I cannot provide it anymore, but I will
> > try with the new tape I'm converting currently.
> Thanks for the picture. That looks very strange.
> That snow is not in the recorded movie you want to encode ?

I must admint that, if I watch the movie directly with kino, some snow
is there, but not so much, it seems. But if catch a snapshot with kino,
even from adjacent frames, no snow appears in the snapshots.
> 
> When you record to DV AVI Type 2 You get AVI Files. Please view them 
> with a command like that:
> lav2yuv file.avi | yuvplay
> 
It plays like a charm, no snow at all.

> When you don't see the snow (noise) add all the other commands used for 
> encoding except mpeg2enc:
> lav2yuv| file.avi | other commands | yuvplay
> When you see now the snow on of the commands creates the snow.

I guess that kino pipes a stream to mpeg2enc which is already filtered
with some other command that introduces the snow: in fact, if I issue
the following:

lav2yuv /tmp/prova002.avi | mpeg2enc -v 0 -f 8 -I 1 -n p -a 2  -o
'/tmp/prova.mpv'

I get a video with no snow. Unfortunately, kino creates the pipe
internally, so I don't know what is the command that it uses and that
introduces the snow.

But this way the problem is clearly identified as a kino problem, don't
you think? I'll got there now.

Many thanks for your kind answers!

> 
> 
> auf hoffentlich bald,
> 
> Berni the Chaos of Woodquarter
> 
> Email: shadowl...@utanet.at
> www: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gz/bernhard

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