A new rear wheel drive vw?  I don't even find much in the way of a google
search with those words.  Was that a typo?

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Matthew Yip <[email protected]> wrote:

> Josh reminds me that the Blues are brutal on rotors. The HT-10a are easier
> on rotors but they're still not what I'd call "rotor friendly".
>
> Good brake pads are expensive - there isn't a way around that. Having said
> that though, be thankful you don't own the newest version of the RWD Beetle
> - pads for those cara are in the $300+ range.
>
> - Matthew -
>
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 11:24, Chad Rebuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Matthew,
> >
> > My gli is a street car, but I don't really drive it a great deal anymore.
> > I have managed to rack up 4000 miles since finishing the engine rebuild
> > last September :)
> >
> > Wow, I checked out the price of the dtc-30 pads and they are just over
> $100
> > for the front.  Last set of mintex redbox pads I bought cost me $70 for
> all
> > 4 wheels.  I'll give the dtc-30 a try at the next event though.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Matthew Yip <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Careful when mentioning my name and weighing in - fat Asian guys could
> >> take offense...<G>
> >>
> >> Oil temps sound about right - my 16v (with a smallish Mocal cooler) are
> in
> >> the 270 range after a 30-45 minute session with Mobil 1 5W-30 oil.  I
> agree
> >> with Josh - so long as you're using a synthetic oil, oil temps, are less
> >> critical.  My coolant temps sky-rocket on the track though and I can't
> >> figure out why - I have a replacement radiator to install but haven't
> had a
> >> chance to do that yet (or even race in 2012 but that's another issue).
> >>
> >> I don't have any experience with Mintex other than an old set of
> >> Metal-Munchers that deliminated and another set of Red Box(?) that
> lasted
> >> 15 minutes before going the way of the dinosaurs.  The GLi has 10.1s,
> IIRC.
> >> The GTI has 9.4s and I'm running Hawk HT-10s on my GTi because they work
> >> in a higher temperature range than the Blue.  For the GLi, Hawk produces
> >> the DTC-30.  I don't have experience with them but have heard they are
> >> excellent.  We run 20 lap races which are 30-45 min in length - with the
> >> Blue pads, I'd encounter fading about half-way thru a race - the HT-10s
> >> have a similar feel from start to finish which helps build confidence
> >> although I still hold that the brakes are on the car in front of me ;)
> >>
> >> Chad - your idea of using an aggressive front pad combined with a lesser
> >> rear pad is fine.  I've been doing that for years and find that the best
> >> rear pads are the Auto Zone "$19.99" (or cheaper) junk organic pads.
> >> Granted, your GLi has more weight in the rear than my GTi, the reality
> is
> >> that the vast majority of the weight in these cars is over the front
> wheels
> >> - under heavy braking, the suspension unloads the rear and the wheels
> lock
> >> up, even with heavy front springs to control the dive.  I've tried
> >> everything short of re-plumbing the brake lines for a manual
> proportioning
> >> valve and it's just part of driving an FWD car.  I have a competitor
> whose
> >> comment was "I NEVER look for your brake lights but when I see tyre
> smoke,
> >> I KNOW you're braking".  When my crew guy, Brian, started racing (in my
> >> car), I watched him in a few turns - he'd ask "How'd it look?  I was
> >> braking like mad".  My initial reply was "You're not braking hard
> enough -
> >> no smoke".
> >>
> >> Forgive my ignorance - I've read so many threads, many of them on
> VWVortex
> >> which has certainly lowered my IQ to "vegatative" - is your GLi a street
> >> car or a track toy?  If it's not a frequently used car, I'd suggest
> >> removing the front brake backing plates to enhance air flow.  See how
> that
> >> works along with better pads - you may want to build ducts but there's
> not
> >> much room to work with since the car is FWD.  My car had ducts but they
> >> "fell off" a few years ago and they never were rebuilt.  When they were
> >> functional, I was using Blue pads so they were helpful but after the
> change
> >> to HT-10 and no ducts, I don't know that they're mandatory.
> >>
> >> Matthew (crawling back under my rock)
> >>
> >>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> >>> To: Chad Rebuck <[email protected]>; a2-16v <
> >> [email protected]>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:09 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [a2-16v-list] Oil temp / brakes at the track
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't be so worried with the oil temps as long as you're using
> >> synthetic oil.
> >>>
> >>> Real track pads make all the difference in the world.  The gli is a
> >> fairly light car, so you don't need a super aggressive pad choice.
>  Maybe
> >> Matt yip can weigh in there.  I used hawk dtc70's in my ls1 944, but
> those
> >> would be total overkill for you...
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
> >>>
> >>> ----- Reply message -----
> >>> From: "Chad Rebuck" <[email protected]>
> >>> Date: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:40 pm
> >>> Subject: [a2-16v-list] Oil temp / brakes at the track
> >>> To: "a2-16v" <[email protected]>
> >>>
> >>> I took my 16v turbo Jetta to the track yesterday and saw oil temps
> >>> around 280 nearing the end of the 15 - 20 min sessions.  I'm running a
> >>> full synthetic and also have an external oil cooler.  On the highway
> >>> the temps are about 200 just for reference.  My brakes were feeling a
> >>> bit weak nearing the end of each session and my stomach was feeling
> >>> uneasy so it was no problem for me to take a break when oil temps got
> >>> this high.
> >>>
> >>> I put about 100 miles on the car at the track and 1/2 the front pads
> >>> are gone.  Brakes are stock except for stainless lines, ate super blue
> >>> fluid, and minted redbox pads.  I may try a set of track pads and new
> >>> rotors just for track use next time to see if they grab better when
> >>> hot.  Any suggestions on pads to use?  I was planning on only swapping
> >>> front pads/rotors at the track next time (leaving the rear alone).  Is
> >>> that a problem?
> >>>
> >>> What oil temp is too high?  I could go with a bigger oil cooler if
> >>> necessary but the coolant temp was between 1/2 and 3/4 on the gauge
> >>> already so maybe I'd need to beef up the coolant capability too if I
> >>> wanted to stay on the track longer each session.
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