Hence the reason that so many states are adopting CARB standards defacto, which solves the inconsistent problem, and for the most part, not in a good way for the owners of post 1974 pre OBD2 vehicles. Under CARB standards, if you install say, a Chevy LS3 engine in your '68 Camaro, you must use all the emissions hardware applicable to the year of the LS engine, and pass tail pipe standards for that year as well. These days, if you want to build a hot rod, and not have catalytic converters hanging off the end of your headers, you have to move to South Dakota...
~Holland On Apr 25, 2016 10:09, "'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v" <[email protected]> wrote: Yeah, I'm fortunate to live in a rural county where all my neighbors seem to own tractors. With the exception of my F350, seemingly ALL the one-tonne trucks around me have "stacks" and "blow coal". My truck blows coal but it's hidden underneath and I don't advertise my sympathies for the loss of the Prophet Dale. In all seriousness, I don't have a problem with emissions testing provided that it's done intelligently. Unfortunately the execution was so poor by the Federal Government that there are countless loopholes for virtually every vehicle on the planet. Some vehicles used the CEL as an early warning system (thank you VAG) while others used the CEL as a "If it fell off the car, throw a light" (thank you Honduh). Unfortunately the standards are so widely variable until recently that it's almost funny. On Monday, April 25, 2016 1:00 PM, Holland Phillips < [email protected]> wrote: Gee Matt, all this time I thought you lived in the U.S.! ;-). Seriously, California is, and has been from the beginning of the smog era, thanks to CARB, just the absolute worst when it comes to emissions testing. And unfortunately for the rest of the country, many states have followed suit, and more join the party all the time. My guess is that in the too near future, the whole thing will become federalized. ~Holland On Apr 25, 2016 09:45, "'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v" <[email protected]> wrote: What a saga!! I'm glad I don't live in a communist country where smog inspections are run by Nazis. On Monday, April 25, 2016 12:31 PM, Holland Phillips < [email protected]> wrote: Congratulations! Persistence always pays off in the end. I think most of the smog guys these days are so used to the OBD2 cars, that when someone shows up with an older vehicle like yours, it's just a thorn in their shorts that they don't want to deal with, so they treat you like crap so you'll just go away. ~Holland On Apr 25, 2016 09:21, "damac2004" <[email protected]> wrote: looks like i forgot to update my thread. i ended up leaving the second knock sensor hooked up to the engine which was between cylinder 2 and 3. never detected any pinging on this car. drove the hell out of it, it seems happy at current timing and isn't hesitating when i stomp on the pedal. car is definately slower without those mods, i thought they were bs. i went to the 4th smog shop that also did repairs and pleaded for help to find out why these other shops were jerks to me and kept telling me about the check engine light. this guy was nice, listened to what i had to say and took my smog test out to his tech. he said the light and egr stuff was seperate, that i had a federal emissions car and the light wasn't applicable but he saw other cars from this generation that needed a light and thought it was interesting. he smogged me on the spot and i passed! i don't think this bigger repair shop did me any favors? but i'm glad to finally have it done. nobody could really answer why some shops said this car needed a light. one shop saw my fail and freaked on me saying i needed a light blindly and wouldn't even look it up. moral of the story is find a good shop when it comes to any kind of service. you can't believe these guys at face value. thanks for all the help!!! i know i was freaking out since it was just me working on all this stuff. i really hate these gassers and can't wait to get to my mtdi conversions, never will buy an old gasser again! On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 9:49:28 PM UTC-7, hollandphillips wrote: It may not see any codes until you put some miles on it. If the block has 2 knock sensors, it's a 9A block. The Motronic ECU wants to see both sensors. The previous owner has left you a real mess. As I said before, I would just find a test station that offers free retests and go for it. You really don't have any other options at this point. 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