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I cc: the e-mail I sent to Mr. Ghio to the times. This is what they had to say: Dear Keith, While I thank you for your contribution, may I point out that persons are entitled to a different opinion from yours. As a newspaper we are open to all views as long as they do not go against the Laws of Malta. As you know the issue is still burning and there are constant developments. Your statements will be considered for publication. Regards, Martin Debattista Executive Producer - i-Tech I don't think we are entitled to a "right to reply" since this is not targeted to a specific person/company. Keith Philip Camilleri wrote: > Hi Vitaly, > > Mr Ghio does make a point though, that the EU Patents structure is > not meant to be as lax as that in the US. On the other hand, that > is open to interpretation, as stated in the FT article. > > Then again, if we do present an article to The Times, the argument > must be presented clearly and concisely -- after all, there > definitely are Maltese companies that wish to patent inventions, > and it is a fact that the current situation means registering > several individual patents in numerous countries. > > Comments on this issue are welcome -- the MLUG committee is in fact > drawing up a series of articles for The Times, and any arguments > for/against Software Patents will certainly help... > > thanks Philip > > > > On 6/22/05, Vitaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Mr. Ghio is a dumbass protecting corporations and bigger >> companies. >> >> Keith, you should write the article to the Times of Malta, >> because Ghio presents a biased opinion, i.e. misleading readers, >> who are not aware of the subject. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith >> Vassallo Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:54 AM To: Philip >> Camilleri; Malta Linux User Group - general list Subject: Re: >> [LINUX.ORG.MT] Article on software patents in the times >> > Hi Philip et al. > > Thanks for the link. Mr. Ghio does not seem unreasonable, however I > think he does not understand how bad this is for opensource > software. > > Anyway I have replied again: > > Dear Mr. Ghio, > > I would like to thank you for taking interest and replying. > > I agree that bringing investment into the country is of paramount > importance, and also have no doubt as to the capabilities of > Maltese developers (I am in fact one of them...). We seem to have > divergent views on the possible outcome of the CIID. > > Whilst I agree that Maltese companies which come up with new > "technical contributions" will benefit greatly from this directive, > I am afraid that this will be rather difficult. Like any science, > the invention of new programs is built upon work done by others. If > the prior work is patented, small local companies will not have the > resources to buy the technology and extend it - and hence the > small company will suffer and the computer industry will lose a > potentially great invention. This is the argument presented by many > opensource software developers - patents "stifle innovation" > > The Financial Times is running an interesting article here: > > http://news.ft.com/cms/s/329cb864-e1bb-11d9-9460-00000e2511c8.html > > It seems as if the CIID is going through. We will have to wait and > see how this directive will impact Maltese businesses. My hope is > that the term "technical contribution" is not abused and we do not > end up with the same situation as that in the USA. I wouldn't like > having to call Amazon to buy a patent the next time I want to > develop a retail website... > > Regards, > > Keith Vassallo > > Philip Camilleri wrote: > >> Hi Keith, I'm not sure if u sent this, or if i received it from >> someone else, but this FT article seems pretty relevant to the >> discussion you're having with Mr Ghio. > >> http://news.ft.com/cms/s/329cb864-e1bb-11d9-9460-00000e2511c8.html >> > >> By the way, I believe Mr Ghio is IT Lawyer with Fench & Fench >> Advocates... That might give you an idea of his background and >> bias on the subject... > >> ph. > > > > >> On 6/22/05, Keith Vassallo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mr. Antonio Ghio (author of the article) sent me a reply. I am >> pasting it below (he can't send to the list because he's not a >> member): > >> Dear Mr. Vassallo, > >> Thank you for copying me in this interesting email. The scope of >> the CII directive is not to allow the patentability of computer >> ideas but Computer Implemented Inventions. Whilst the US, as >> pointed out in my article, has adopted a very liberal approach to >> the patentability of computer software where 'business models' >> were also considered to be patentable, the main reason behind the >> introduction of the CII directive is the crystallisation of the >> experience of the EPO. TheDirective is also clear in the sense >> that 'pure software' will not be patentable. The 'technical >> contribution' factor is what in fact distinguishes the European >> approach from the US experience. > >> Making sure that the Internal Market works properly and that >> there are no legal and regulatory barriers between the Member >> States is one of the pillars of the EU. I appreciate that your >> LINUX backround dictates a different approach to the CII issue, I >> do not subscribe to your opinion that Malta only has to loose >> with the Directive. The fact that Malta has a limited market in >> this field further shows that action needs to be taken. >> Patententing of high tech means increased opportunities for >> foreign investment and the creation of new places of work. We >> should use the experience Malta is living in the pharmaceutical >> context and transpose same in the IT industry. I am sure that you >> are in favour of further foreign investment in the island as well >> as the capabilities of Maltese developers. If you look at the >> articles in relation to interoperability, product claims and the >> simplification of the patenting process you will appreciate that >> the picture is not as black as you are painting it. The fact that >> the EU democratic process is based on the checks and balances of >> the European bodies in the introduction of new legilsation has to >> be considered the basis of our own democracy. > >> It is not ideas which are patentable but inventions. For the >> latter to be patentable one has to prove (i)novelty, (ii) >> inventive step (iii) industrial application as well as the >> important 'technical contribution' The aims of the Directive are >> to provide authors and inventors with a stronger tool than >> copyright which many times proves to be totally useless. Patent >> protection provides more stability and security. If you compare >> the export of high-tch industry of countries like Japan and USA >> with that of EU countries you will defintley understand why such >> a Directive is required, in line with the Lisbon Agenda. > >> In my professinal experience, I faced situations where local >> start-ups had to battles their way in other jursidcitions in >> order to apply for such patents meaning: higher costs and long >> procedures. I am confident that with the introduction of the CII >> Directive as found in the Common Position, Malta will have much >> to gain. Again, as a Linux user I appreciate your different, if >> not totally opposite, point of view. > >> Would be very glad to discuss the matter more in detail with you >> or your organisation. > >> Best Regards > >> Antonio Ghio > > > > >> Keith Vassallo wrote: > >>> Hey guys, > >>> Send the following e-mail to itech: > >>> Dear Sir/Madam, > >>> I read with total disgust the article "Patent Pending: >>> Protecting Maltese computer-implemented inventions" published >>> on Thursday, June 16, 2005 on page 3 in iTech. The article >>> shows that the author has clearly ignored a very important >>> aspect of patents and the article is in danger of leading the >>> Maltese IT industry to support a directive which will work >>> against it. Let me explain: > >>> The Computer Implemented Inventions Directive (CIID) is >>> designed to allow the patentability of computer ideas. This >>> means that very basic ideas like "gift wrapping a present when >>> ordering items on-line" or "double-clicking a mouse" can be >>> patented. The two examples mentioned have been granted, to >>> Amazon and Microsoft respectively, in the USA. What does this >>> mean? It means that if Amazon takes action, other on-line >>> stores will now have to pay Amazon for gift-wrapping - never >>> mind that it has been done in real life for thousands of years. >>> I won't even mention what consequences the double-clicking >>> patent would have.... > >>> The CIID will help companies, but certainly not Maltese >>> companies. Large corporations will build huge patent portfolios >>> not just by thinking up new ideas (which is not so bad) but >>> more disturbingly by buying patents from smaller companies. >>> This will result in an industry where the biggest players hold >>> all ideas ransom, and small players with limited funds cannot >>> even start-up a new company. This situation is already being >>> seen in the USA. Now, as everyone knows, Maltese companies are >>> very small (so small in fact, most companies are considered >>> micro-businesses rather then SMEs). These companies will find >>> it immensely hard to raise enough money to buy patents from big >>> companies. Even if they do, making the patent profitable will >>> be very difficult, especially in Malta's limited market. The >>> CIID will also have a very negative effect on free and >>> open-source software, where projects simply do not have the >>> money to buy patents. > >>> The CIID has already been proposed to the EU parliament and >>> rejected. Then proposed again, and rejected. Now the EU council >>> is again proposing the CIID and the EU parliament will be >>> voting around 5th July. This says a lot about the EU council, >>> which is pushing the CIID even though the EU parliament has >>> rejected it twice. 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