----- Original Message ----- > > On Fri 10 May 2013 11:50:46 AM PDT, David Keeler wrote: > >> We still struggle to get mobile content served to us by > >> websites/servers. > > > > Well, it's not going to happen if we don't push them. > > They don't care at this moment about non-webkit browsers. This > sentiment is starting to change in the web design world but even > getting sites where we have good contacts such as FB to fully support > us is hard. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759986 > > We don't have the market share to be as aggressive as you are > suggesting. If sites don't work in FxA users will just use > Chrome/Stock/Dolphin.
To me, this is the reason to keep Flash (plug-in) support. We need to differentiate Firefox for Android to attract users. A good way to do that is to support Flash content on mobile while other browsers do not. Lawrence > > >> Our h264 decoding on Android is still a work in progress. > > > > H264 support is not a prerequisite to removing plugin support. As > > illustrated, there are other existing options for delivering the > > content > > people want. > > > >> Removing it before Adobe EoL Flash will result in negative reviews > > > > According to > > http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/flash-runtimes-roadmap.pdf > > , "Adobe will continue to provide critical bug fixes and security > > updates for existing device configurations through September 2013". > > Assuming 6 weeks per release, Firefox 24 will be released > > mid-September, > > just in time for EoL of Flash on Android. I think this is a good > > time to > > start making plans for this. > > The hardware Flash runs on does not immediately get replaced. We do > need to provide an exit ramp. But a wall on September is not the > correct action. Flash runs on about 70% of the hardware currently on > the market. > > Kevin > > > On 05/10/13 11:33, Kevin Brosnan wrote: > >> Now is not the time. > >> > >> We still struggle to get mobile content served to us by > >> websites/servers. > >> > >> Our h264 decoding on Android is still a work in progress. There > >> are > >> devices that are blocked from trying h264 [1]. We (FxA QA) are in > >> the > >> process of doing a review of our playback on 70+ devices we have > >> on > >> hand. The issues we have found so far are listed on a meta bug > >> [2]. > >> > >> We regularly get 5 star reviews on the Play Store because of our > >> Flash > >> support. Removing it before Adobe EoL Flash will result in > >> negative > >> reviews and some of the positive reviews to change to 1 or 2 star > >> reviews. > >> > >> Kevin Brosnan > >> > >> [1] > >> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drivers#On_Android_2 > >> [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867846 > >> > >> On 05/10/2013 10:54 AM, David Keeler wrote: > >>> [bcc'd to many lists for wide visibility - discussion should > >>> probably be > >>> on mobile.firefox.dev > >>> (https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mobile-firefox-dev )] > >>> > >>> TL;DR: Now is a good time to remove plugin support from Firefox > >>> for > >>> Android. > >>> > >>> Consider: > >>> * We do not support plugins for Firefox OS and do not plan to > >>> * The only plugin that most users care about is Flash. Adobe > >>> stopped > >>> development for Flash on Android in November of 2011, which is a > >>> year > >>> and a half ago[1]. > >>> * Popular sites that use plugins have native apps. This includes > >>> YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, and so on. Other sites can follow suit or > >>> use > >>> modern web technologies like HTML5. Addons are also an option. > >>> * Plugins are a security hazard > >>> * Plugins drain battery life and make Firefox seem slow > >>> > >>> Let's be bold, let's protect our users, and let's move the web > >>> forward. > >>> > >>> [1] http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> mobile-firefox-dev mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mobile-firefox-dev > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > mobile-firefox-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mobile-firefox-dev > _______________________________________________ > mobile-firefox-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mobile-firefox-dev > _______________________________________________ mobile-firefox-dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mobile-firefox-dev
