Dennis- I love your ideas and proposed processes! This has so much value.... count me in!
Rich On Dec 30, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Dennis Clark wrote: > I see the process of porting a legacy non-MVC application to Model-Glue as > consisting of a number of distinct phases. Here is an incomplete list of > phases I can think of for a conversion project: > Move existing presentation logic to included views (using a standard > structure var to pass all data from legacy templates to views). > Introduce ColdSpring and convert existing model logic to ColdSpring beans. > Introduce Model-Glue and convert legacy templates to event handlers with > dedicated controllers. > Refactor controllers to reduce duplication of controller code. > Refactor views to reduce duplication of view code. > Add event types to reduce duplication of event handler code. > Refactor ColdSpring beans to provide more abstract interfaces and loosen > dependencies with existing implementations. > Identify actionpack candidates from portions of the application code. > Select candidates and refactor into actionpacks. > I intentionally left actionpacks to the very end because I believe that code > modules must first be usable before it can be reusable. All code modules must > be built under some assumptions and constraints, and without a real > application to validate those assumptions and constraints it is very easy to > choose the wrong ones and create an unusable module. > > I believe real Model-Glue applications are the best source for practical code > modules such as actionpacks. A big reason for my commitment to the Model-Glue > framework is the ease with which I was able refactor code from my first > Model-Glue application to make make it potentially reusable by other > applications. Mind you, I have yet to actually succeed in reusing the code in > other applications, but my failure in that regard has nothing to do with the > framework itself :-) > > I've looked through the example actionpack in MG3, and while I find it too > complex for practical use it is comprehensive enough to show how the > different components of an actionpack are tied together. I have already > identified a simple framework enhancement that would benefit actionpack > development and will post a ER to the Trac site shortly. > > I would very much like to participate in a legacy-to-MG3 application porting > project as well as any efforts to make MG actionpacks a more practical tool > for developers. > > Cheers, > > -- Dennis > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Dan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > Roy, > > Your email is very helpful... and I realize I might not have fully explained > the point behind the fork. If we are able to incorporate MG 3 into Galleon > and add some of these new features, Ray will let us commit this back into the > Galleon project. Thus, the new version of Galleon would be a MG3 application > (much like LighthousePro is) > > So rather than a fork, which wouldn't be very helpful, we'd have a new > platform for Galleon. > > We can also take out parts of Galleon to use as actionpacks... like the > registration portion and the security portion. Galleon is open source, so we > can, with the proper attribution, look at enhancing Galleon as well as any > parts that make sense for actionpacks. > > I'd very much like to see a group of folks working on Actionpacks from a > stragetic level. What are they? What should they be? How can MG be developed > to make Actionpacks more useful/relevant? > > From what I can tell, an 'actionpack' is really just including another > MG.xmkl file. That is helpful and somewhat useful, I think we could make it > even more useful and helpful with the right folks thinking about it. The > Galleon project might be a good case to evaluate what an actionpack is, and > could be. > > > DW > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Roy Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > We can definately help with this as we took Isaac Dealey initial > framework and finished and made it a working framework by adding the > additional events and replacing the rest of the links necessary to > make this work. However, all this did was simply provide a mg wrapper > to include the correct views by a model-glue event-handler. The > biggest problem with this is that galleon does not abstract the link > locations, so incorporating view changes that contained bug fixes is a > manual process. This was nice because it was easy to incorporate your > own security or other pre-written MG broadcast, but otherwise didn't > buy us much. I could see this being helpful for theming but what are > your thoughts on how much you want to truely fork galleon into a MG > project? > > What I would love to see is more effort and support around > actionpacks. I think that's one of the least explored but most > powerful feature of MG. There is currently not much documentation, > sample resouces or central repository around this. If we did work > together for a project like event / conference management I would push > to have that contain a series of reusable actionpacks (payment > actionpack, event management actionpack, etc). We could then kick-off > a actionpack listing or repo where. We could add these and allow > others to add them as well, similar to a cflib or riaforge. That's > what I would really like to see some effort put into as we push for > standard ways to build components that can be reused using MG. We have > several that we can contribute as well as this has been a big focus > for us internally. > > That's my 2 cents, > Roy > > On Monday, December 28, 2009, Chris Blackwell <[email protected]> wrote: > > sounds like fun!I'd be particularly interested in helping port galleon. > > will have a look at the latest version to familiarize my self over the next > > few days and post my thoughts. > > chris > > > > > > > > On 28 Dec 2009, at 16:12, Dan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hey Folks, > > We've been thinking through building out some useful Model-Glue based > > software for the community. Many developers want to get past the simplistic > > examples out there and learn how to solve harder problems with Model-Glue. > > We have 2 projects that we want to see happen in the first quarter of 2010. > > If you are interested in helping out on one of them, please email your > > interest to the group. > > > > > > > > > > Goal: Port Galleon Forums to Model-Glue > > > > Galleon Forums is a ColdFusion based forums application. A port to an > > earlier version of Model Glue was done by Isaac Dealey. We want to port the > > latest version of Galleon to MG 3 and add the following features: > > > > better theming supportprint friendly messagesmulti-homing (support for > > multiple forums in a single code base)as well as any other low hanging > > fruit gained by a refactor to MG3 > > > > > > We will use this refactor to evolve some best practices about > > "Frameworktising" an existing application and also to evaluate new features > > for upcoming versions of Model-Glue. > > > > > > Who we Need: Developers, Testers, Forward Thinkers, Documenters, Current > > Galleon Users > > Goal: Build a Conference Management Application from Scratch > > > > We want to research building an application from scratch with Model-Glue. > > Important things to come out of this project are:How to use current > > Model-Glue 3 features for Rapid DevelopmentWhat we can improve about > > Model-Glue 3 for Rapid Development > > > > How to plan and structure a greenfield project for the fastest possible > > developmentBuild a great piece of Open Source software for the community to > > use and learn fromWho we Need: Developers, Testers, Forward Thinkers, > > Documenters, Conference Planners > > > > > > > > So if you are interested in working on a new and fun project for Q1 2010, > > just let us know where you'd like to help. > > > > DW > > > > > > > > > > -- > > “Come to the edge, he said. They said: We are afraid. Come to the edge, he > > said. They came. He pushed them and they flew.” > > > > Guillaume Apollinaire quotes > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Model-Glue Sites: > > Home Page: http://www.model-glue.com > > Documentation: http://docs.model-glue.com > > Bug Tracker: http://bugs.model-glue.com > > Blog: http://www.model-glue.com/blog > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "model-glue" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/model-glue?hl=en > > > > > > > > -- > > Model-Glue Sites: > > Home Page: http://www.model-glue.com > > Documentation: http://docs.model-glue.com > > Bug Tracker: http://bugs.model-glue.com > > Blog: http://www.model-glue.com/blog > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "model-glue" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/model-glue?hl=en > > -- > Model-Glue Sites: > Home Page: http://www.model-glue.com > Documentation: http://docs.model-glue.com > Bug Tracker: http://bugs.model-glue.com > Blog: http://www.model-glue.com/blog > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "model-glue" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/model-glue?hl=en > > > > -- > “Come to the edge, he said. They said: We are afraid. Come to the edge, he > said. They came. He pushed them and they flew.” > > Guillaume Apollinaire quotes > > -- > Model-Glue Sites: > Home Page: http://www.model-glue.com > Documentation: http://docs.model-glue.com > Bug Tracker: http://bugs.model-glue.com > Blog: http://www.model-glue.com/blog > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "model-glue" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/model-glue?hl=en > > > -- > Model-Glue Sites: > Home Page: http://www.model-glue.com > Documentation: http://docs.model-glue.com > Bug Tracker: http://bugs.model-glue.com > Blog: http://www.model-glue.com/blog > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "model-glue" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/model-glue?hl=en Rich Rich Leach Advanced Certified Adobe ColdFusion Developer [email protected] http://www.cfsnap.com 303-913-7338 Instant Messenger: AOL AIM: cfsnaprich Instant Video Conference: APPLE MobileMe: [email protected] -- Model-Glue Sites: Home Page: http://www.model-glue.com Documentation: http://docs.model-glue.com Bug Tracker: http://bugs.model-glue.com Blog: http://www.model-glue.com/blog You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "model-glue" group. 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