Nedim Cholich [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Tom, don't make it religious. Open Source is great paradigm, but some things
> in life are not open source. Giving back to the community is noble, but we
> have to make a living, and we can't all be Perl instructors, or write books

I think that was a little unnecessary don't you?  Giving back to the 
community is not about being 'noble'.  Let's take a really obvious 
example.  If people like Larry and Tom and Randal took your attitude you'd
be paying for this tool.  And it wouldn't be nearly as good and we
probably wouldn't even have mod_perl, embperl or any of the other variations.  
And there would be no CGI.pm, heck there would be no CPAN.  You
don't seem to have any problem taking advantage of what an open 
development model offers you, why is it so difficult for people to
give back?

> Y'all should embrace using these technologies in a corporate world, as a
> kind of recognition this crowd needs badly.

Balogna.  "this crowd" doesn't need media recognition.  In fact, the
only thing media recognition can do for (to) this crowd is to bring
more people with this kind of attitude.  That's not what we need.

> > >need to be open source. As a meter of fact, most of the work people on
> this
> > >list are doing is commercial and not open source. That's how we make a
> > >living!

I'm not sure that's a statement you can make.  First, I doubt you know what
most of the work people on the list is.  Second, you seem to have this wierd
opinion that commercial and open source are antithetical.  This is not the
case.  I have done a lot of open source work for commercial companies.  I
used to work for an ISP where I released all my work in the open.  Stuff
we did for web clients (email scripts, image manip scripts, etc) and 
sysadmin utilities.  I'm now working for a company where we are looking
at releasing the code for our mod_perl site open. 

I will never understand this attitude towards an open development model.
Especially from people benefiting from it's advantages.

Note:
        I don't know Nedim.  I have only been on this particular list a short
        while.  This is in no way meant to be a flame.  It's more of a...
        general rant.. than anything else.  

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