> > First of all I want to say about our framework - Apache::Site,
which
> > we used in all our current projects (about 20). If you don't
> > interested just skip to next paragraph.
> > http://agenda.samara.net/Apache-Site.pm
>
> Did you actually release Apache::Site on CPAN? Couldn't find it
there.

We did not release it on CPAN. We announced it in mod_perl list first
and wanted to get offers for naming the Module
(Apache::Site sounds too much pretentious :) ). We consider that code
is not good as possible and thought gurus will point to weak parts of
code.
After all, gurus can say - it is comletely useless module, because
there are better solutions and ... bla bla bla... :) We don't want to
publish JustAnotherSillyApacheFramework :)
And another, main trouble - permanent lack of time for documenting :((

>
> > Let's come back to Agenda...
> > It is pure model-view-controller application. There are
Agenda.pm -
> > Template::Toolkit - Apache::Agenda.pm modules - therefore Agenda
is
> > very flexible.
> > It works on Linux box now. It has a multi-language kernel. It has
2
> > languages now - english & russian, but we didn't write english
Help
> > yet :(
> > Translation to other language or correcting of interface may be
> > performed from the same WEB interface.
> > It is in production for my studio (http://www.webzavod.ru/) during
2
> > months. Productivity rised greatly, president of our companies is
> > happy - he gets reports when he wants, I'm happy - I do not write
> > these reports.
>
> This looks quite interesting. The company I work for is constantly
looking
> for some useable workflow-, ressource- and processmananagement, erm.
> whatever you call it :)
>
> > And delicate topic... Our chief wants to sell this application...
> > Strange! :)) Price is $590 for one installation and unlimited
licenses
> > now, but it requires Oracle now - we want to migrate the
application
> > to free database (mySQL). Writing complex systems with powerful
> > databases such Oracle is much simpler on developer stage.
>
> I think the price is reasonable - but the requirment of an oracle
> installation isn't really a good point for us. :)
>
> Btw, I would beg you to give PostgreSQL a shot before you port
Agenda to
> MySQL, as PostgreSQL is far nearer - in terms of features and warm
fuzzy
> feelings - to Oracle as MySQL is (I don't want to get into advocacy
here,
> but I wouldn't say that MySQL is a RDMBS at all).

Agreed, realization of all business logic outside database is real
PITA, just mySQL is more popular...

PS: Forgot to say that there is another way - Application Service
Providing. Just now 3 independent system works on
http://agenda.samara.net -
Demo Russian, Demo English and Production version of Company... It
should be muuuuch cheaper, but there is another bottleneck - not all
companies will agree to post payments for projects and other
confidential information to Application which hosted somewhere in
snowy Russia with bears on the streets :))))

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Sergey Polyakov               aka "BeerBong"
Chief of WebZavod     http://www.webzavod.ru
Tel. +7 (8462) 43-93-85 | +7 (8462) 43-93-86
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