woMEN beat writers were given little credit because the only ones of note 
came after the initial 'beat generation', which actually occured in the late 
forties and early fifties...  with most of them coming out of the so called 
san franciso renaissance (ie diane de prima), which was loosely tied to the 
nyc beat scene.  
on another note of time dialation...by the time that the stupid beatniks were 
thinking they were hip as fuck, allen ginsberg was a burnt out hippie, and 
kerouac was living with his mother in florida with serosis (sp?) of the 
liver...   michael d.

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