John, that was very rationally and eloquently put.
Seamus
>From: John Drefahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: The Third American Revolution (hehehe)
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:03:40 -0800
>
>Seth you make a good argument... Although I disagree with your gas
>price assessment.
>
>Natalie, sorry I generalized so much. In a way that was kind of the
>point of my post. Lets just say this.. "Nothing of merit has ever
>come from white American culture".. Now that's a generalization if I
>have every heard one. As you did with my post.. I generalized right
>back on his! Its very hard not to take the defensive when someone is
>generalizing you as "good for nothing".
>
>I think for the most part we are just stepping up to the idiot soap
>box with this one. There are way too many nationalistic feelings
>overall...and way too much ignorance on both the American and UK side
>of this discussion. For one.. neither of us will ever be happy with
>the other's assessment of their culture because it is almost
>impossible to ever get a proper assessment of a culture unless you
>have lived in it (otherwise its all preconceived notion). Not to
>mention we are all attached in some way to our birth land.. its like
>asking someone to assess your mother with out hurting your feelings..
>because any bad traits will always directly reflect on you..
>
>On the other hand you can't really point a finger at just one thing
>that represents "white American male culture" because most white
>American males are from many different cultures.. English, Irish,
>German, Italian, Mexican, French, and Scandanavian cultures settled
>in different regions in the United States. Now if you figure a
>culture is what makes a person a Brit or an American you can't really
>say that i was brought up American by anyway. You can't compare my
>upbringing (German American) to a some of my friends in Boston
>(British American).. We had completely different upbringings. Just
>because part of my family decided in the 1800's to not go to war and
>leave Germany.. Doesn't mean that my family became anymore less
>German (well until WW2).. parts of the German culture were passed
>down through the last 2 generations. While we all consider ourselves
>American because we live here.. we still have a huge tie to our
>homeland in Germany which we honor through the food my family eats,
>the holiday traditions,.. gosh to the organized religion my family
>has always been apart of. You will see the same things when you go
>the east coast where the people are from Irish and English decent.
>
>I guess my point is here..is this is an absolutely dumb argument
>because all any of us really have to go on is preconceived notions
>and some vacations we all took.
>
>But as caution (I should take this advice also.. ;) we should maybe
>shy from making complete generalizations and assumptions on topics as
>touchy as this because I have to admit.. I was bit pissed when 1
>person summed up all of America as "Useless".. in one sentence.. at
>that.. I took it a but personally because I don't feel that I am
>useless. I know I have done my little part to change the world... as
>has many Americans.. But we can never find a Brit to recognize it.
>
>John
>
>
>
>>Okay,
>>
>>lets look at the good and bad of living in either UK or USA:
>>
>>U.S.A.
>>
>>Ridiculously high gas prices, gladly paid by inept drivers with gas
>>guzzling 10.5 kid capacity behemoth, Japanese made, expensive SUV's.
>>
>>UK: Same problem wiht gas $$% but nobody drives SUV's
>>
>>Handgun deaths in US kill THOUSANDS
>>
>>UK: Rarer than a BeeGee's Millenium Tour
>>
>>Boring two party political system where the prick with most $$$ wins
>>
>>UK: Dull multi-party system where someone with brains can get elected.
>>
>>Legal drinking age of 21 which is widely ignored and won't stop DUI
>>
>>UK: At 18 they actually trust you to know what you're doing.
>>
>>Internet connections easy and affordable.
>>
>>UK: Expensive and basically unregulated competition among providers
>>
>>Innocent until proven guilty in Court
>>
>>UK: Your're guilty, save your own arse!
>>
>>Unarticualte, clonelike cultural malaise is widely accepted.
>>
>>UK: Culture with sense of purpose and identity..skinny wiseass
>>popstars, intelligent sitcoms, musical diversity, pretensions.
>>
>>Half dead heroin addicts punished for drug problem, thrown in jail
>>while pedophiles, murderers and tax frauds are set free into streets
>>
>>UK: Methadone treatment is available and succesful
>>
>>Britney Spears, NSync, Elvis, Christina Aguilera, Korn
>>
>>UK: The Beatles, BLUR, Morrissey, Pulp,The Kinks,The Who, Paul Weller
>>
>>just making a few comparisons..
>>
>>
>>
>>> Instead America's best and brightest stay here, Britain's best and
>>> brightest immigrate here, and our dimwits emigrate to London.
>>>- And on average, Americans work more hours per week than Britons. So we
>>>all
>>> can't be lazy bloodsucking shits like the French. What was your point?
>>>- What fat bastard ate all the good pie shops?
>>>- Thank god for curry! You need something edible to eat on your lil'
>>>island.
>>>
>>>BTW ;^)
>>>
>>>Enjoy,
>>>John M. Stafford
>>>
>>>----------
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> 1. We're in a no-win situation here - if you're (and if you're going
>>>>to
>>>> generalise then so will I) feeling persecuted over errors of your past
>>>>you
>>>> blame us for the way 'we' treated the Native Americans (for
>>>>example) but then
>>>> when you want to crow about something then it's all thanks to 'your'
>>>> structures which you see as not at all influenced by factors such
>>>>as British
>>>> traditions of parliamentary democracy or that pesky capitalist system
>>>>we
>>>> started. Still...even that's coupled with factors like density of
>>>>population
>>>> and natural resources that have more to do with luck than with merit.
>>>>('the
>>>> largest country in the world'???? Is that a real boast? I thought that
>>>>was
>>>> Canada anyway).
>>>>
>>>> 2. And where did that computer start? In the UK. Telephone
>>>>invented by a Scot
>>>> you claim as your own of course... I'm told we took our own part
>>>>in building
>>>> the user interface of the World Wide Web though. Still - thanks
>>>>for making us
>>>> all feel a bit humble. Whenever I type a domain name (or use a zip or
>>>>eat
>>>> cornflakes) I will issue thanks and ask God to bless your great
>>>>country.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Please spare us that 'to save your island from invasion' shite
>>>>please,
>>>> it's vastly insulting and we don't really want to ask you what
>>>>you were doing
>>>> three years prior to actually getting off your arses. So why
>>>>exactly did you
>>>> get involved in World War II? Absolutely nothing to do with
>>>>self-interest I'm
>>>> sure. I was under the impression that Britain and the U.S. were only
>>>>two of
>>>> the nations that paid a huge price in saving THE WORLD from Nazism.
>>>>Who
>>>> exactly feeds you this preposterous crap that you were the
>>>>bleeding hearts of
>>>> the world somehow doing us a huge favour? Is it a superior educational
>>>> system? You are only talking about our grandparents' generation and
>>>>this is
>>>> still really, really offensive. Wash your mouth out young man.
>>>>
>>>> 5. We did. Thanks for lending us that money, though, which we're
>>>>still paying
>>>> you back today (with interest). Did your taxes build all your own
>>>>cities? If
>>>> so, why haven't you got one as good as London?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, WE work longer hours than everyone in Europe as well. I'm
>>>>an
>>>> adopted Londoner (of two years). There are only two things worth
>>>>moaning
>>>> about - the amount of calcium carbonate in the water and the
>>>>dearth of decent
>>>> pie shops.* I am constantly impressed by its beauty and even aspects
>>>>of its
>>>> ugliness (which seems to prove that it isn't a dead theme park city
>>>>like
>>>> er...Venice, for example). Still - I'd be pissed off if I didn't live
>>>>here
>>>> too (I was for twenty-five years).
>>>>
>>>> Agh and to the bloke who made the lunatic statement about curry -
>>>>talk about
>>>> missing the point! The curry doesn't represent us 'losing our own
>>>>culture',
>>>> it's a great British dish! The Asian people in this country are
>>>>British too -
>>>> what is different about so many Americanisms is that they haven't been
>>>> brought in by immigrants but by a distant popular culture. I find
>>>>that's a
>>>> really bland and tedious process as it seems to involve the wholescale
>>>> imposition of crass cultural trends, whereas immigrants contribute to
>>>>the
>>>> environment whilst being influenced by it (that's what makes the
>>>>English
>>>> language so special). Why can't people get their heads around this
>>>> distinction?
>>> >
>>> > Natalie
>>>
>>>----------
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Gosh how the hell did American Culture build the largest and
>>>> strongest economy and country in the world? Where did that Internet
>>>> start? How many musical acts have we given you.. Wait, what war did
>>>> thousands of Americans die in just to save your Island from invasion.
>>>> Who rebuilt London? (Cough ack cough.. thats a hard one to swallow I
>>>> know.. but come on.. our taxes in someway rebuilt your damn city.)
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:52:03 +0000
>>>From: David Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called Ericaphones ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>>>Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge of
>>>these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can buy
>>>one online ?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for your help,
>>>David W.
>>>--
>>>David Walker
>>>
>>>Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>>http://www.modculture.com
>>>
>>>Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:42:43 -0000
>>>From: "Zinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>34. Please spare us that 'to save your island from invasion' shite
>>>please,
>>>> it's vastly insulting and we don't really want to ask you what you
>>>>were
>>>doing
>>>> three years prior to actually getting off your arses. So why exactly
>>>>did
>>>you
>>>> get involved in World War II? Absolutely nothing to do with
>>>>self-interest
>>>I'm
>>>> sure. I was under the impression that Britain and the U.S. were only
>>>>two
>>>of
>>>> the nations that paid a huge price in saving THE WORLD from Nazism.
>>>>Who
>>>> exactly feeds you this preposterous crap that you were the bleeding
>>>>hearts
>>>of
>>>> the world somehow doing us a huge favour? Is it a superior educational
>>>> system? You are only talking about our grandparents' generation and
>>>>this
>>>is
>>>> still really, really offensive. Wash your mouth out young man.
>>>>
>>>Please note that US only entered the war after being attacked by Japan
>>>and
>>>having Germany declare war on them first
>>>Sorry but facts are facts
>>>Zinc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 06:07:28 -0800 (PST)
>>>From: Soul Stomper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: The Skatalites
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I don't know if anyone here is interested, but 60s
>>>Jamaican Ska legends, The Skatalites, will be playing
>>>the Comfort Zone in Toronto on April 1st. This event
>>>will be licensed/all-ages and doors open at 9pm. No
>>>word yet on the cost though. Sorry if this is an
>>>innapropriate forum for this post.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Billy
>>>http://www.reggaestreet.com/1/reggaeskin69
>>>
>>>
>>>__________________________________________________
>>>Do You Yahoo!?
>>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
>>>http://im.yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:27:10 EST
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 3/12/00 9:48:04 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>
>>><< Thank god American education is better than British education: >>
>>>
>>>Christ, Stafford, you're like the ask Cecil column or something: all the
>>>facts. Interesting to read, anyway. I don't think that last bit (above)
>>>can
>>>possibly be true. Just about any exposure I've had to recent public
>>>school
>>>graduates show that none of them can read and that none of them has any
>>>concept of culture at all. It seems that they just aren't teaching arts
>>>in
>>>school any more. Then again, our very own list has someone like Chantal,
>>>who
>>>gives me hope for the future, but I suspect that her grooviness is more a
>>>product of her own searching than anything our overpopulated and
>>>underfunded
>>>schools could have achieved. I believe that the idiots of tomorrow are
>>>but
>>>the refuge of our corporate culture.
>>>Corin
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:26:14 +0000
>>>From: David Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Calling Emmanuel Cote
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>If the above named is still on the list, can he email me privately ??
>>>Thanks,
>>>David W.
>>>--
>>>David Walker
>>>
>>>Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>>http://www.modculture.com
>>>
>>>Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:47:38 -0500 (EST)
>>>From: Katherine Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called Ericaphones ?
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't have any info on them, but am interested too...
>>>Please let me know as well if you can get a hold of one or two..
>>>Kate
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>>>> Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge of
>>>> these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can buy
>>>> one online ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>>>> David W.
>>>> --
>>>> David Walker
>>>>
>>>> Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>>> http://www.modculture.com
>>>>
>>>> Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>> Want to find the best email lists? Check out the Topica 20!
>>>> http://www.topica.com/topica20
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:41:37 GMT
>>>From: "gordon wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>wasn't the current Maddonna song written by an American...
>>>______________________________________________________
>>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:45:22 GMT
>>>From: "gordon wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>For the last word on this debate please check out all the details at
>>>alfgarnett_tilldeath.com
>>>______________________________________________________
>>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:36:48 +0000
>>>From: jano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: re is this a test
>>>
>>>
>>>Natalie said:
>>>
>>>>In the UK. Telephone invented by a Scot you claim as your own of
>>>course.
>>>
>>>And the television was invented by a Scot- a Baird as a matter of fact.
>>>Jano Baird
>>>
>>>BTW- Thanks Anja for the grammer slammer!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:50:47 PST
>>>From: "Seamus Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am the bloke who "made the lunatic statement about curry".
>>>First off let me address that comment. In no way was that intended as a
>>>barb, so relax a bit. My point was that curry is now a part of British
>>>culture. Of course people of Asian decent living in Britain are British,
>>>just as the people of Asian decent or Latin etc... in US are Americans.
>>>They
>>>have contributed to our respective cultures and enriched them. That
>>>"lunatic
>>>statement" was made as a means of expressing diversity enriches a nations
>>>culture, not jeopardizes it.
>>>If offense was taken ( as it clearly seems to have ) , then I apoligize,
>>>none was intended.
>>>
>>>I am tired of the reactionary statements being slewn about. Nobody wins
>>>when
>>>an insult is responded to in kind.
>>>
>>>
>>>Seamus
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Subject: Is this a quiz?
>>>>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:49:22 -0800
>>>>
>>>>In a message dated 10/03/00 18:16:28 GMT Standard Time,
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>writes:
>>>>
>>>><< Gosh how the hell did American Culture build the largest and
>>>> strongest economy and country in the world? Where did that Internet
>>>> start? How many musical acts have we given you.. Wait, what war did
>>>> thousands of Americans die in just to save your Island from invasion.
>>>> Who rebuilt London? (Cough ack cough.. thats a hard one to swallow I
>>>> know.. but come on.. our taxes in someway rebuilt your damn city.) >>
>>>>
>>>>God - I hate this; this argument was started off by provocative
>>>>anti-American
>>>>statements I found a tad embarrassing to be honest with you but you've
>>>>hardly
>>>>dignified yourself with that tirade of confused crap which I would swear
>>>>was
>>>>straight from the keyboard of a 14-year-old who has just opened an AOL
>>>>account. Your answers...
>>>>
>>>>1. We're in a no-win situation here - if you're (and if you're going to
>>> >generalise then so will I) feeling persecuted over errors of your past
>>>you
>>>>blame us for the way 'we' treated the Native Americans (for example) but
>>>>then
>>>>when you want to crow about something then it's all thanks to 'your'
>>>>structures which you see as not at all influenced by factors such as
>>>>British
>>>>traditions of parliamentary democracy or that pesky capitalist system we
>>>>started. Still...even that's coupled with factors like density of
>>>>population
>>>>and natural resources that have more to do with luck than with merit.
>>>>('the
>>>>largest country in the world'???? Is that a real boast? I thought that
>>>>was
>>>>Canada anyway).
>>>>
>>>>2. And where did that computer start? In the UK. Telephone invented by a
>>>>Scot
>>>>you claim as your own of course... I'm told we took our own part in
>>>>building
>>>>the user interface of the World Wide Web though. Still - thanks for
>>>>making
>>>>us
>>>>all feel a bit humble. Whenever I type a domain name (or use a zip or
>>>>eat
>>>>cornflakes) I will issue thanks and ask God to bless your great country.
>>>>
>>>>3. Thanks once again. It's hardly a competition but I like to think
>>>>we've
>>>>produced at least one listenable beat combo.
>>>>
>>>>4. Please spare us that 'to save your island from invasion' shite
>>>>please,
>>>>it's vastly insulting and we don't really want to ask you what you were
>>>>doing
>>>>three years prior to actually getting off your arses. So why exactly did
>>>>you
>>>>get involved in World War II? Absolutely nothing to do with
>>>>self-interest
>>>>I'm
>>>>sure. I was under the impression that Britain and the U.S. were only two
>>>>of
>>>>the nations that paid a huge price in saving THE WORLD from Nazism. Who
>>>>exactly feeds you this preposterous crap that you were the bleeding
>>>>hearts
>>>>of
>>>>the world somehow doing us a huge favour? Is it a superior educational
>>>>system? You are only talking about our grandparents' generation and this
>>>>is
>>>>still really, really offensive. Wash your mouth out young man.
>>>>
>>>>5. We did. Thanks for lending us that money, though, which we're still
>>>>paying
>>>>you back today (with interest). Did your taxes build all your own
>>>>cities?
>>>>If
>>>>so, why haven't you got one as good as London?
>>>>
>>>>By the way, WE work longer hours than everyone in Europe as well. I'm an
>>>>adopted Londoner (of two years). There are only two things worth moaning
>>>>about - the amount of calcium carbonate in the water and the dearth of
>>>>decent
>>>>pie shops.* I am constantly impressed by its beauty and even aspects of
>>>>its
>>>>ugliness (which seems to prove that it isn't a dead theme park city like
>>>>er...Venice, for example). Still - I'd be pissed off if I didn't live
>>>>here
>>>>too (I was for twenty-five years).
>>>>
>>>>Agh and to the bloke who made the lunatic statement about curry - talk
>>>>about
>>>>missing the point! The curry doesn't represent us 'losing our own
>>>>culture',
>>>>it's a great British dish! The Asian people in this country are British
>>>>too
>>>>-
>>>>what is different about so many Americanisms is that they haven't been
>>>>brought in by immigrants but by a distant popular culture. I find that's
>>>>a
>>>>really bland and tedious process as it seems to involve the wholescale
>>>>imposition of crass cultural trends, whereas immigrants contribute to
>>>>the
>>>>environment whilst being influenced by it (that's what makes the English
>>>>language so special). Why can't people get their heads around this
>>>>distinction?
>>>>
>>>>Natalie
>>>>
>>>>*No! A third - Mods May Day.
>>>>_____________________________________________________________
>>>>Want to find the best email lists? Check out the Topica 20!
>>>>http://www.topica.com/topica20
>>>
>>>______________________________________________________
>>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:14:40 -0800
>>>From: Daniel Geddes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Re: Nationalism and it's effect on Rock
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:19:04 EST
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Subject: Nationalism and it's effect on Rock
>>>>
>>>> All this (well trodden) talk about nationalism in our little scene is
>>>> actually slightly related to something I experienced on our recent
>>>>tour of
>>>> Spain. The tour was just great, you can imagine, and the mod kids
>>>>that I met
>>> > there were very cool. they definitely had the clothing thing
>>>together, I was
>>>> feeling decidedly scruffy in comparison.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, this certainly isn't the case with everyone I met, but a lot
>>>>of the
>>>> people who came to our shows expressed to me that they saw us as
>>>> representative of American rock and roll. A fellow who had driven 100
>>>>km to
>>>> see us was saying how excited he was to see a real American band. (in
>>>>fact,
>>>> we were billed as 'Power Pop Genuino' at one venue, which sounds like
>>>>the
>>>> particular kind of Esperanto idiotico that I used throughout the
>>>>tour). I
>>>> asked him if there weren't a lot of Spanish rock bands that he liked
>>>>and he
>>>> said that it just wasn't the same as seeing a real American rock band.
>>>>In
>>>> fact, he told me that most of the non-Spanish bands that they get in
>>>>Spain
>>>> come from the UK which just about guarantees that they stare at the
>>>>floor
>>>> when they play. He was quite excited to see a band jump about and
>>>>sweat while
>>>> playing. It left me with a certain sense of responsibility to
>>>>somehow live up
>>>> to this guys expectations of being an American rock band. I
>>>>didn't know if we
>>>> should just do Little Richard numbers, or what. It certainly made us
>>>>go all
>>>> out to put on a goo show. Anyway, it was just something I
>>>>experienced, and I
>>>> certainly don't mean it to sound condescending ('cuz I heard a
>>>>number of good
>>>> Spanish bands there). By the way, if anyone has some extra time on
>>>>their
>>>> hands, I've posted my tour diary at www.monolyth.com/pills.htm
>>>> Corin
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know if you've seen Dr. Explosion, but they 're a Power
>>>pop/garage band from
>>>Spain. They played in San Francisco about a year ago, and those guys
>>>jumped
>>>around more than any band I've seen in my life.. It's like they
>>>just discovered the pogo.
>>>Definitely didn't stare at the ground, and in fact, spent much of
>>>the show actually IN the audience.
>>>So much for stereotypes.
>>>
>>>Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:38:04 EST
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 12/03/00 14:44:22 GMT Standard Time,
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>writes:
>>>
>>><< Thank god American education is better than British education: >>
>>>
>>>Yeah I know - Bill Clinton eh? And for heaven's sake don't take me as
>>>representative of the British educational system. (Which hardly needs me
>>>to
>>>defend it). We're a 'melting pot' too - lordy have you never heard of
>>>Blue
>>>Mink?! ('Take a piece of Chinky...' or whatever they sang in all their
>>>wisdom).
>>>
>>>Hmm...'Hitler was too incompetent to actually take your island' - a cynic
>>>would almost think that this statement was your subtle way of deriding
>>>the
>>>achievement of the British forces. Still, I (being deeply happy-go-lucky
>>>and
>>>amiable) know that you wouldn't really be thick-skinned enough to do this
>>>since yours are even today internationally renowned for their curiously
>>>self-congratulatory inability to organise a piss-up in a brewery. So you
>>>'saved' the French, the Dutch and the Germans. Very kind. Sorry to
>>>over-stress a point but - you didn't do it all on your own. And, in any
>>>case,
>>>it was the least we all could have done.
>>>
>>>I bloody hate militarism and jingoism (I'd be equally sickened if those
>>>statements were from, say, a British person directed at someone from
>>>mainland
>>>Europe) and have to respond when somebody writes to a 'modslist' and has
>>>to
>>>make patronising references to World War II in order to defend Americans
>>>(something that could surely be done by other means - I could do it, why
>>>can't you?)
>>>
>>>I suppose our 'best and brightest' are always going to go where the money
>>>is
>>>- still - please feel free to keep hold of Catherine Zeta Jones, Rod
>>>Stewart
>>>and Jackie bleeding Collins.
>>>
>>>Denial of horrible Protestant work ethic: I have been unemployed for a
>>>fortnight after four days in a new job and am having a great time. Even
>>>when
>>>I had a job I never actually 'worked' in any meaningful sense - I
>>>mentioned
>>>it cos that bloke seemed to think that life over here was in some way
>>>'relaxed.'
>>>
>>>And who the hell was Charles Babbage then? He must have done summat
>>>significant to have had the computer on 'Family Fortunes' named after
>>>him.
>>>
>>>Genuinely interested,
>>>
>>>Natalie
>>>
>>>P.S. Sorry for being self-seeking but - can somebody do me a brief
>>>summary of
>>>the car thread please? Can anyone name any current cars that aren't crap
>>>yet
>>>manage to avoid being completely devoid of style?
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:14:17 -0800
>>>From: Jacqueline Rothfork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Ericofon Info and pricing
>>>
>>>
>>>Ericofons were the "Stylish one piece phone" designed by Ericsson in
>>>Sweden. They later bought North Electric in Ohio and made them in the
>>>USA
>>>as well. This was the first one piece telephone made and is a design
>>>favorite. The rotary dial is on the bottom, and you hang up the phone by
>>>putting it down. The rotary dialed Ericofons may or may not have a ringer
>>>on them while the very rare European Ericofon 700's which never made it
>>>to
>>>the US all have ringers on them. They come in all colors essentially
>>>with
>>>even a rare and much sought after clear color who's transparent plastic
>>>allows the user to see the inner workings.
>>>
>>>Some Ericofons for sale can be found at the following links with prices
>>>in
>>>the $75- $200 range depending on color and dialing method (rotary or push
>>>button). Also a search on ebay yielded 36 auctions for Ericofons....
>>>
>>>http://www.ericofon.com/
>>> -Everything you ever wanted to know about these strange phones
>>>
>>>http://www.vintagephones.com/Ericofon.html
>>> -Big selection with 1 year warranty but only the earlier rotary
>>>types
>>>available here
>>>
>>>http://www.oldphones.com/ericofon.html
>>>
>>>http://www.thephonesource.com/antiques.htm#PS507001
>>> -Check under the RETRODESK item type
>>>
>>>http://members.aol.com/recollectn/phones3.htm
>>> -OK selection here with many colors and dialing types
>>>
>>>
>>>Katherine Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have any info on them, but am interested too...
>>>> Please let me know as well if you can get a hold of one or two..
>>>> Kate
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hello,
>>>> > I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>>>> > Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge
>>>>of
>>>> > these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can
>>>>buy
>>>> > one online ?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks in advance for your help,
>>>> > David W.
>>>> > --
>>>> > David Walker
>>>> >
>>>> > Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>>> > http://www.modculture.com
>>>> >
>>>> > Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:33:22 EST
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: Nationalism and it's effect on Rock
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 3/12/00 3:13:01 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>writes:
>>>
>>><< I don't know if you've seen Dr. Explosion, but they 're a Power
>>>pop/garage
>>>band from
>>> Spain. They played in San Francisco about a year ago, and those guys
>>>jumped
>>> around more than any band I've seen in my life.. It's like they just
>>>discovered the pogo.
>>> Definitely didn't stare at the ground, and in fact, spent much of the
>>>show
>>>actually IN the audience.
>>> So much for stereotypes.
>>>
>>> Dan >>
>>>
>>>Sounds great. I'm against stereo types anyway, I think it sounds better
>>>in
>>>mono.
>>>Corin
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:35:33 EST
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 3/12/00 5:38:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>
>>><< please feel free to keep hold of Catherine Zeta Jones >>
>>>
>>>Well, if you insist...
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:45:37 PST
>>>From: "Dana Gier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: gordon wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
>>>>wasn't the current Maddonna song written by an American...
>>>
>>>Probably. And, of course, almost every soul, blues, and r & b song, ever.
>>>
>>>Now, the Spice Girls. I can pretty much guarantee you that all their
>>>songs
>>>were written by Brits...
>>>
>>>"I am a citizen of the world"
>>>
>>>- Socrates(or maybe Plato)
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>D
>>>
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>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:32:49 PST
>>>From: "Dana Gier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: Re: The Skatalites
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Soul Stomper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if anyone here is interested, but 60s
>>>>Jamaican Ska legends, The Skatalites, will be playing
>>>>the Comfort Zone in Toronto on April 1st. This event
>>>>will be licensed/all-ages and doors open at 9pm. No
>>>>word yet on the cost though. Sorry if this is an
>>>>innapropriate forum for this post.
>>>
>>>
>>>How could anyone not love the Skatalites? However, with both Roland
>>>Alphonso
>>>and Tommy McCook passing away a couple of years ago(God bless their
>>>souls),
>>>I don't really think it's the same thing.
>>>
>>>D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:36:51 -0000
>>>From: Andrew Broughton-Braithwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: RE: I ain't bothered...
>>>
>>>
>>>* Son of Ex Pat Scots here
>>>So how can you comment about the English?
>>>Your parents were Scottish, you are an American.
>>>We invented curry by the way.
>>>Your name is Seamus - You poor poor man.
>>>
>>>
>>>John Drefahl is a prick. John try using the word 'than' rather than
>>>'then'
>>>you know nothing fuckwitted no-mark.
>>>
>>>
>>>Here ends my stunning contribution to this debate.
>>>
>>>
>>>Andy BB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Seamus Watson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> Sent: 11 March 2000 15:05
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Re: I ain't bothered...
>>>
>>> Son of Ex Pat Scots here, Oats is actually a separate food group
>>>among
>>> Scots.
>>>
>>> Seamus
>>>
>>> >From: gordon wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >Subject: Re: I ain't bothered...
>>> >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:26:11 -0800
>>> >
>>> >>From: Seamus Watson >what about haggis on toasted oatcakes? that
>>>is a bit
>>> >>of eating.>The oats clean out your system anyway, so eat up.
>>> >>>Seamus
>>> >
>>> >Oat cuisine, no thanks!
>>> >In England they feed it to the horses, in Scotland it is the
>>>national dish
>>> >-
>>> >as my english friends would say!
>>> >Porridge though- has to be Scot's Porridge Oats, not the crap Piper
>>>
>>> >brand...
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>>>
>>>Date: Mon, 13-Mar-2000 09:29:09 GMT
>>>From: Julian Lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: RE: Julian the *******
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>flint wrote:
>>>> Four letter words I can guess at, but seven??
>>>That well known censored animal, the bastard, I'd guess.
>>>
>>>Only by conception, Paul.
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Mon, 13-Mar-2000 09:32:31 GMT
>>>From: Julian Lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: RE: 6 places
>>>
>>>
>>> > *Amsterdam - they speak better english (just kidding, alright?),
>>>Probably true - certainly true in Stockholm. Must be because they
>>>studied it at school.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:07 -0000
>>>From: Andrew Broughton-Braithwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: RE: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called Ericaphones ?
>>>
>>>
>>>I saw some yesterday in (boom is it)?
>>>That rip-off furniture shop over the road from the Stables in Camden.
>>>
>>>They wanted =A399 for the mk one and =A375 for the mk2.
>>>
>>>They are often coming up on Ebay though.
>>>Can't see what you see in them myself...
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>AndyBB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> Sent: 12 March 2000 14:38
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called
>>>Ericaphones ?
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>>> Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge
>>>of
>>> these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can
>>>buy
>>> one online ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>>> David W.
>>> --=20
>>> David Walker
>>>
>>> Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>> http://www.modculture.com
>>>
>>> Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>>
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>>>
>>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:25:14 +0100
>>>From: "Pablo de la Cruz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: RE: Is this a quiz?
>>>
>>>
>>>From: John M. Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>| - The very first computer was the abacus, invented by some ancient
>>>Chinaman
>>>| (nope not British). The first computer was the ENIAC 1, invented by
>>>in
>>>1946
>>>| John Mauchly and John Eckert who were working for the United States
>>>Army
>>>| (nope not the British Army). The first personal computer was the
>>>Altair
>>>| 8800 invented in 1974 by Californian (nope not Londoner) Ed Roberts.
>>Correction: think Charles Babbage. Or better still, think Ada Byron. Or
>>even
>>better, think Blaise Pascal, not only he invented the first calculating
>>machine in 1642, but also found the time to create a complex philosophical
>>system AND he was a lazy bloodsucking French shit (your words, not mine).
>>By
>>the way, was any American (notice that I include *my* Spanish Americans)
>>creating calculating machines or anything more complex than an axe handle
>>in
>>1642? I thought so. You rookies. ;-)
>>
>>| - The internet was started in 1969 by the U.S. military and was know as
>>the
>>| ARPAnet. The HTTP protocol which is the basis of the web was created
>>at
>>the
>>| Swiss CERN labratory in 1993. HTTP was made usable by an American,
>>Netscape
>>| founder Marc Andreesen in 1994.
>>If "usable" and "profitable" are synonymous in your book, you might be
>>right.
>>
>>| - And on average, Americans work more hours per week than Britons. So we
>>all
>>| can't be lazy bloodsucking shits like the French. What was your point?
>>Do you really think that working your arse off makes you a *better*
>>person?
>>If so, those Third World workers that actually sustain most of your
>>country's economy must be on the verge of sanctity. And yes, I know that
>>they also sustain my economy, but I don't go patronising over the virtues
>>of
>>Protestant working ethics. So your grandparents saved us from Hitler in
>>order for you to throw us to Megacorporation Inc. - Big deal. Fuck, this
>>is
>>the modslist, isn't it? - wasn't it all supposed to be about hedonism??!!
>>
>>---Pablo de la Cruz, a lazy bloodsucking shit and proud of it, and heading
>>for my siesta head first.
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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