Was not sure where else to turn for this question, so here goes:

We are trying to get consensus on whether the following scenario will be 
fully encrypted when data is passed to the server (ie: we can't allow 
username and password data to go in the clear - obviously).

We have a non secure http page that has two POST fields; one for username 
and another for the password.  This is on example page 
http://nonsecure.html.  The user types in the information and hits the 
submit button.  The action URL that is tagged  in the POST command in this 
html file posts to https://secure.html, which will validate a users login, 
etc.  Now SSL is a session based protocol, and it seems quite unlikely that 
ANY information could be passed from the clients browser to the server 
until AFTER the SSL session was created; thereby sending it encrypted 
only.  I am 95% sure that the data is encrypted, but wanted to run it by 
you all to let me know if I'm in the ballpark here.  My apache and NES logs 
don't show conclusively whether the connection was established, then the 
login data was sent (securely), or whether both the POST URL (an SSL URL) 
and the data was all sent at once (ie: login in the clear) and the server 
just handled them both in the right order, but received them both in the 
clear from the beginning (I doubt it).

I am snooping on some packets, but wanted to know if the RFC states it thus 
and whether anyone has seen different in regards to apache+mod_ssl and NES 
SSL (which we also use and would want to use this mechanism with as well - 
though not mod_ssl obviously).

Thanks very much,
Brian

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