As with several other iterations of this debate, though, this consists of you pointing out some flaws, and someone else trying to calm you down or ameliorate the debate. I do appreciate your thoughts and analysis of the situation, but patches (or even proposed solutions) speak a lot louder than speaking loudly.

Most often from my perspective it consists of being told the problem either a) isn't a problem, or b) doesn't impact many people at the moment, or c) We'll look into it.

Because I'm not a M:B user, and not really part of the "community" I haven't felt it's really my place to make large changes to the design of M:B.

Further, most of these changes require co-ordination between multiple modules, which makes changes harder again.

If you are requesting design proposals, I am happy to suggest some.

As a starting point, I think that the idea of CPANPLUS instantiating Module::Build objects directly has to go, and favour of a CPAN.pm style loosely coupled execution approach, as others have mentioned.

It introduces the flexibility to deal with subsequent solutions for other parts of the problem.

Since YAPC::NA is the only conference I'll be at this season, and Audrey will be present as well, it would seem that a meeting or BOF'like session at YAPC::NA would be ideal for setting out the specifics of the problem and looking at the most appropriate solutions.

Unfortunately neither Randy nor I will be there, nor will I be at TPC either (and I think neither will Randy). If there's a time that works for other people at YAPC though, I bet I could teleconference or iChat myself in, or something like that, if that would be helpful and not too much hassle.

That might be workable.

Adam K

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