+1 also to drop Apache 1.3, especially if it's holding you back. Graham. I just wanted to let you know that your work is appreciated. I understand your frustration with the larger community. What you've been proposing in the Python web community has almost always seemed like the correct direction; and your arguments are undoubtedly usually the most lucid of anybody. Plus you really dive down into the various RFCs, PEPs, etc., and make informed decisions. Python may not be where it should be (yet), but it most certainly would be in much worse shape without your work. Thanks
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