On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Graham Dumpleton wrote:

> 
> BTW, I have never seen you post about what version of Apache you are
> using, nor what operating system/distribution you are using.
> 

Sorry just getting back from a long vacation. So to answer the easy questions:
- Gentoo 1.12.11.1 (though we are switching to Fedora literally today, so we'll 
see if this problem goes away)
- Apache config on Gentoo:
Server version: Apache/2.2.9 (Unix)
Server built:   Jan 15 2009 18:47:53
Server's Module Magic Number: 20051115:15
Server loaded:  APR 1.3.2, APR-Util 1.3.2
Compiled using: APR 1.3.2, APR-Util 1.3.2
Architecture:   64-bit
Server MPM:     Prefork
threaded:     no
  forked:     yes (variable process count)

- Apache config on Fedora 11
Server version: Apache/2.2.11 (Unix)
Server built:   Mar 17 2009 09:15:07
Server's Module Magic Number: 20051115:21
Server loaded:  APR 1.3.3, APR-Util 1.3.4
Compiled using: APR 1.3.3, APR-Util 1.3.4
Architecture:   64-bit
Server MPM:     Prefork
  threaded:     no
    forked:     yes (variable process count)

One thing we noticed was that it says "Threaded: no" - now obviously that's how 
prefork works, but do we need threading somehow enabled in APR?

I did address most of the issues you talked about before - i.e. 
WSGIRestrictEmbedded, upping the debug level, etc. I'll post more of what you 
asked for in the next few days.

> More below.
> 

Thanks for all that explanation - this definitely clears up quite a bit for me 
as far as how mod_wsgi actually functions under the hood! 
> 
> If you are not handling dynamic requests of any form in the Apache
> server child processes, be it PHP, Python, Perl etc, then there is
> generally no reason to set MaxRequestsPerChild to anything but 0. If
> Apache is as such only handling static file serving and/or proxying to
> mod_wsgi daemon processes, then worker MPM would be much better choice
> than prefork as have mentioned before.
> 
> Similarly, unless you have issues with resource leakage in your Python
> application, I wouldn't use maximum-requests to WSGIDaemonProcess
> either. For a site with large amount of traffic, would certainly be
> cautious about setting it to to low a value, ie., 1000, if it could be
> causing processes to be recycled within a matter of seconds.
> 

this is really great advice - it fits with my intuition, but I wasn't trusting 
my intuition :)

 I didn't see these specific guidelines anywhere on the Google Code wiki, I'd 
definitely recommend putting them up there!

Alec
> Graham
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