Use gdb as discussed before to try and capture a stack trace of where
problem occurs. Only way you can even start to work it out.

Also list what third party Python packages you are using which have a
C extension component. Can do this by looking for any packages in your
site-packages which have a .so file.

Graham

On 28 November 2011 01:11, caroline <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> What can i do for detecting which c extension module isn't thread
> safe ?
>
> Caro
>
>
>
> On 26 nov, 23:21, Graham Dumpleton <[email protected]> wrote:
>> You could be using a C extension module which isn't thread safe.
>>
>> BTW, you didn't need to force single thread to attach gdb to try and
>> capture crash, but perhaps fortuitous you did as has narrowed down
>> what the problem is. :-)
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> On 27 November 2011 14:55, caroline <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hello Graham
>>
>> > I've made some more tests, using the debugging technique that you
>> > wrote (with gdb), and when i put threads=1 the premature end of script
>> > headers message doesn't appear anymore, so i couldn't see anything
>> > relevant on gdb,  Is this normal?. I repeatedly tested the application
>> > without any values or with threads greater than 1 in the wsgi daemon
>> > process definition (without using gdb of course) but the message
>> > appeared again, so now i'm kind of confused.
>> > Why could be the reason for the message doesn't appearing when
>> > threads=1?
>>
>> > Thanks for your help
>>
>> > --
>>
>> > On 23 nov, 18:01, Graham Dumpleton <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Do you run any sort of monitoring system which kills processes
>> >> automatically if memory exceeds some set amount?
>>
>> >> Only other thing can think of is that something is sending a single to
>> >> daemon processes and killing them. This can't just be SIGINT or SIGHUP
>> >> though as the daemon process in those cases would log something and it
>> >> isn't that I can see from the parts of the virtual host log file you
>> >> have posted.
>>
>> >> BTW, you might consider New Relic (www.newrelic.com) trial to see if
>> >> it that sheds any light. Both the Python agent and server monitoring.
>>
>> >> Disclaimer. I work at New Relic and am writing the Python agent. The
>> >> pro trial you get on initial sign up and before it drops down to free
>> >> lite subscription still could be useful to help track things down,
>> >> although if processes are dying suddenly then may not.
>>
>> >> Graham
>>
>> >> On 24 November 2011 09:49, caroline <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Hello Graham
>>
>> >> > On 22 nov, 17:20, Graham Dumpleton <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> On 23 November 2011 01:33, caroline <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > Hi Graham
>>
>> >> >> > I've made the change you mentioned on the main apache configuration
>> >> >> > file, but now the error message of 'premature end of script headers'
>> >> >> > appears almost constantly. It appears like this in the vhost error
>> >> >> > log:
>>
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:19 2011] [error] [client 172.16.0.2] Premature end
>> >> >> > of script headers: pinax.wsgi, referer: 
>> >> >> > http:///www.myvhost2.com/account/login/?next=/
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:19 2011] [error] [client 172.16.0.2] Premature end
>> >> >> > of script headers: pinax.wsgi, 
>> >> >> > referer:http://www.myvhost2.com/lms/courses/
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:19 2011] [error] [client 172.16.0.2] Premature end
>> >> >> > of script headers: pinax.wsgi, 
>> >> >> > referer:http://www.myvhost2.com/lms/courses/
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:20 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25450): Attach
>> >> >> > interpreter ''.
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:20 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25450): Adding '/var/
>> >> >> > quicklearn/env/lib/python2.6/site-packages' to path.
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:20 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25450): Adding '/var/
>> >> >> > quicklearn/trunk' to path.
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:21 2011] [info] [client 172.16.0.2] mod_wsgi
>> >> >> > (pid=25450, process='quicklearn', application=''): Loading WSGI 
>> >> >> > script
>> >> >> > '/var/quicklearn/trunk/deploy/pinax.wsgi'.
>>
>> >> >> Anything prior to this in same time frame?
>>
>> >> >> > And in the apache main error log at the same time :
>>
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:20:31 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25149): Process
>> >> >> > 'quicklearn' has died, restarting.
>>
>> >> >> Were there any messages in main Apache error log prior to this in same
>> >> >> time frame.
>>
>> >> > In the apache error log file i only found messages like this:
>>
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:01:59 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25954): Process
>> >> > 'quicklearn' has died, restarting.
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:01:59 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=14133): Starting
>> >> > process 'quicklearn' with uid=48, gid=48 and threads=16.
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:02:09 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 14165 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:02:09 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:02:09 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 14165 for (*)
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:02:44 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 14169 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:02:44 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:02:44 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 14169 for (*)
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:03:38 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 14187 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:03:38 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:03:38 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 14187 for (*)
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:20 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25953): Process
>> >> > 'quicklearn' has died, restarting.
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:20 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=14198): Starting
>> >> > process 'quicklearn' with uid=48, gid=48 and threads=16.
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:23 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 14222 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:23 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:23 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 14222 for (*)
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:48 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 14227 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:48 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:48 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 14227 for (*)
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:51 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 14228 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:51 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:04:51 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 14228 for (*)
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:05:05 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=14198): Process
>> >> > 'quicklearn' has died, restarting.
>> >> > [Wed Nov 23 17:05:05 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=14238): Starting
>> >> > process 'quicklearn' with uid=48, gid=48 and threads=16.
>>
>> >> >> It may not be segmentation fault. It is generally though a message
>> >> >> which doesn't have the date/time prefix as output at a lower level
>> >> >> than Apache logging API. Provide the preceding messages so I can look
>> >> >> through.
>>
>> >> > I've searched for messages like this on logs but i haven't found
>> >> > anything like you mention.
>>
>> >> >> If you operating system has a crash logs directory you might look in
>> >> >> there for evidence of crashing apache/httpd processes.
>>
>> >> >> If the problem is now more frequent, try and work out if it is a
>> >> >> specific URL. Look in Apache access logs to see if 500 error status
>> >> >> for same URL a lot of the time. In other words, try and reliably
>> >> >> duplicate it.
>>
>> >> >> Being able to duplicate it, you could then attach gdb to a mod_wsgi
>> >> >> daemon process and try and catch the crash. Details on how to do that
>> >> >> can be found in:
>>
>> >> >>http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/DebuggingTechniques#Debugging_C...
>>
>> >> > I'm going to apply this technique, and i'll inform you about its
>> >> > results.
>>
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:20:31 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25413): Starting
>> >> >> > process 'quicklearn' with uid=48, gid=48 and threads=16.
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:20 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25145): Process
>> >> >> > 'quicklearn' has died, restarting.
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:20 2011] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=25450): Starting
>> >> >> > process 'quicklearn' with uid=48, gid=48 and threads=16.
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:32 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 25475 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:32 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:21:32 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 25475 for (*)
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:22:31 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1818): proxy: grabbed
>> >> >> > scoreboard slot 0 in child 25493 for worker proxy:reverse
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:22:31 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1837): proxy: worker
>> >> >> > proxy:reverse already initialized
>> >> >> > [Tue Nov 22 09:22:31 2011] [debug] proxy_util.c(1934): proxy:
>> >> >> > initialized single connection worker 0 in child 25493 for (*)
>>
>> >> >> > I have this on the main apache configuration file:
>>
>> >> >> > WSGILazyInitialization Off
>> >> >> > WSGIRestrictEmbedded On
>>
>> >> >> BTW, you sure you don't mean:
>>
>> >> >> WSGILazyInitialization On
>> >> >> WSGIRestrictEmbedded On
>>
>> >> >> You generally wouldn't want to turn off lazy initialisation as Python
>> >> >> interpreter leaks memory into Apache parent process on restarts if
>> >> >> lazy initialisation is turned off.
>>
>> >> >> Graham
>>
>> >> > Thanks about that! i changed this too
>>
>> >> >> > WSGIApplicationGroup %{GLOBAL}
>>
>> >> >> > But it's not working. And i've searched for the segmentation fault
>> >> >> > message but it doesn't appear anywhere.
>>
>> >> >> > What more could i do?
>>
>> >> >> > Thanks
>>
>> >> >> > On 21 nov, 18:52, Graham Dumpleton <[email protected]> 
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 22 November 2011 09:35, caroline...
>>
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