ok good to know, i would like to have www as default upon learning that 
info, just not sure how at this point.  i followed guide here 
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-redirect-www-to-non-www-with-apache-on-ubuntu-14-04
 
(didnt do htaccess and rewrite mod stuff) and redirect still not working.

added A records on digital ocean    for both   @  MYIPADDRESS      and      
www MYIPADDRESS

also apache cannot start unless the redirect block has  http:// :    
Redirect permanent / http://skylinedev.net    ,  but in the main server 
config I have just:   ServerName skylinedev.net

error : systemctl status apache2.service  

● apache2.service - LSB: Apache2 web server
   Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/apache2; bad; vendor preset: enabled)
  Drop-In: /lib/systemd/system/apache2.service.d
           └─apache2-systemd.conf
   Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Fri 2016-12-30 08:59:48 UTC; 
10s ago
     Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
  Process: 3492 ExecStop=/etc/init.d/apache2 stop (code=exited, 
status=0/SUCCESS)
  Process: 32438 ExecReload=/etc/init.d/apache2 reload (code=exited, 
status=0/SUCCESS)
  Process: 3522 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/apache2 start (code=exited, 
status=1/FAILURE)

# journalctl -xe 

 Dec 30 09:00:39 ubuntu-16-skylinedev sshd[3547]: Failed password for root 
from 221.194.44.195 port 50166 ssh2
Dec 30 09:00:39 ubuntu-16-skylinedev sshd[3547]: Received disconnect from 
221.194.44.195 port 50166:11:  [preauth]
Dec 30 09:00:39 ubuntu-16-skylinedev sshd[3547]: Disconnected from 
221.194.44.195 port 50166 [preauth]



On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 1:26:29 AM UTC-7, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>
>
> On 30 Dec 2016, at 7:19 PM, Jaqen Nki <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> Ok got it.  I will work on that.  Quick question as well, im trying to 
> redirect www.skylinedev.net to http://skylinedev.net.  tried adding this 
> top part to my vhost but not working:
>
> <VirtualHost *:80>
>     ServerName www.skylinedev.net
>     Redirect permanent / http://skylinedev.net
> </VirtualHost>
>
> # original vhost
> <VirtualHost *:80>
>     ServerName http://skylinedev.net
>
>
> This should not be a URL, but just:
>
>    skylinedev.net
>
> The other way of doing it is to have one VirtualHost with ServerName 
> skylinedev.net which has a ServerAlias of www.skylinedev.net and use 
> mod_rewrite rules to match when hostname is later and redirect in that case 
> using rewrite rules.
>
> BTW, there are technical reasons why it is better to have ‘www’ be the 
> primary name and redirect the other way. Read:
>
>     http://www.yes-www.org/why-use-www/
>
> Graham
>
>     full server info etc...
>     
> </VirtualHost>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-7, Graham Dumpleton 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 26 Dec 2016, at 1:21 PM, Jaqen Nki <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> hey bro just wanna say happy holidays.  my initial launch is up, at 
>> skylinedev.net.  still got a good amount of work to do but it looks 
>> pretty good for my first site.  all setup as a legal small business.  
>> anways, when youre free this week, just have another task, basically to set 
>> up SSL for my site.  I though lets encrypt might work but i found out too 
>> late it only supports python 2x. Saw a post where you mentioned using ssl 
>> with mod wsgi and apache2 and its relatively simple.  looking forward to 
>> it.  catch ya later. cheers.
>>
>>
>> Getting a certificate using lets encrypt is an entirely separate process 
>> to configuring Apache to use the certificate. So it doesn’t matter that it 
>> is Python 2. Get you SSL certificate sorted out first using the lets 
>> encrypt tools manually, and then configure Apache to use it.
>>
>>     http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ssl/
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
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