On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:35 AM, JT Moree wrote: > If you find that really great support (moinmoin or other wikis) for > free let me know. I'd love to have someone else maintain my wikis > for me. ;) > I'm not talking about free support (although I admit it would be nice), I'm talking about something as simple as separating the items in the list of changes into two categories: the many hundreds that don't require any action by anybody and the handful that may require some action by somebody. And particularly, in this case, the one action that was required by _everybody_. (If it was so mandatory, why didn't the first startup of the new engine simply run the conversion? Or if there were manual decisions required, why didn't the engine fail to start until the schema was updated?)
Other open source projects seem to be able to do that, so I don't think it's asking too much. The quality may be uneven in how well the actions are explained, but at least there's a _short_, well- highlighted section that gets you started. Don't get me wrong. I like MoinMoin. It's flexible and extensible, and that has helped us. But I'm really disappointed in how poorly this was handled. On the one hand, I see some statements to the effect that this is done better now, but on the other hand, I don't get the impression that the developers have learned the entire lesson from this experience. It's really quite simple: not everyone avidly follows everything that the MoinMoin team does; some of us have other things we'd prefer to do with our time. I'd imagine that in a lot of cases, the only thing users will encounter is the upgrade instructions. If those instructions don't guide them through every step needed to upgrade successfully, the developers aren't doing their job. And telling users to read through a list of a thousand changes is actively avoiding doing their job. Hope this helps, -- Greg Noel, retired UNIX guru ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ _______________________________________________ Moin-user mailing list Moin-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
