Will, I feel your pain. I also agree that the delay that this introduces before .NET on Android is a solid foundation do
Sent from my iPhone On 2011-05-17, at 2:58 AM, Glen Hassell <[email protected]> wrote: > Justin, > Agree with you 44%, continue to support the developers of Xamarin, in hope we > someday benefit from the licence fee's wasted on Mono-Droid, may someday be > of benefit. > > There is no hope to re-establish a small business model after a change of > this scale. Small start ups, where 100k is the difference between success and > failure.. might be all out of good will! Adjustments are one thing and open > source kind of went out the door, a short time before this takeover. > > How much is good will worth these days? Does someone have a cheque to cover > everyone who purchased licences, showing their good will? > > 4 months interest on a model that simply dissolved, licence fee's that have > been thrown. I'm not so sure that there is great value to be found in this > good will.. At least the $29 book from Amazon will always serve to show how > quickly the world of software can change.. I wonder if Wrox will even > continue with the print run now? > > Will.. > > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Justin Malcolm > <[email protected]> wrote: > Mono itself is an open source project supported by many. It goes on as before. > > In fact, it seems that it is supported by all the same people. It is just > that some of them will be paid now by Xamarin instead of Novell. > > Similarly, the commercial mobile dev products based on Mono will now be > available from both Novell and Xamarin. The Novell ones are unlikely to > evolve further. The Xamarin offerings will not be available until September > or October. > > Let's all do our best to ensure that Xamarin can continue to afford to fund > Mono development. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2011-05-16, at 11:05 PM, Jesús Bosch Ayguadé <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If I read well, Mono will be abandoned, isn't it? >> >> Grrr I based my recently created startup strategy on mono multiplatform >> technologies... So this hurts.. >> >> I have a spanish blog with some thousands of readers. I could write about >> this to spread the word on the situation. Can someone tell me what happened?? >> >> Regards, >> >> Jesus Bosch Ayguade >> Enviado desde Windows Phone >> De: Wally McClure >> Enviado: martes, 17 de mayo de 2011 2:31 >> Para: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Asunto: Re: [MonoTouch] [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on >> Novel Store >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks for the kind words. Personally, I can't tell you what you should do >> > right now. I did 2 talks last week on mobile strategies and ended them by >> > saying that there are a number of options out there for them to consider >> > and each must make an educated decision. I chose monotouch and mono for >> > android. Now Attachmate has made this a questionable decision. >> > I think some of the options are:Listen to what Attachmate says. Given that >> > they have had two weeks to prepare a statement, I question if they ever >> > will. Can you trust what they have to say at this point? Can you trust >> > that they can produce a product that will meet your needs? The statement >> > "All technology roadmaps remain intact" rings very hollow. >> > http://morewally.com/cs/blogs/wallym/archive/2011/05/16/all-technology-roadmaps-remain-except-for-the-ones-that-we-won-t-tell-you-about.aspxStay >> > the course with Monotouch and listen to what Miguel is doing. Monotouch >> > is kinda mature at this point, so its got some legs. Can I get to that >> > point based on the current version of monotouch? What happens with >> > iOS5?Mono for Android. Unfortunately, Mono for Android still has enough >> > issues that I can't recommend it as it exists. Sorry, thats just the >> > situation the product is in today. The debugging doesn't work, its too >> > slow on startup of apps, its just not all there at this point i >> > n time. I'm not going to use it.Just go to the vendor directed products, >> > meaning ObjectiveC. I realize that there are a number of issues, but this >> > will keep me from ever getting mucked up. Yes the learning curve is not >> > small. I won't have to worry about Apple with their self fud, someone from >> > SUSE shooting their mouth off about getting rid of Mono (yeah, that >> > happened as well), or this. Should I just go ahead and bite the bullet? >> > Don't underestimate that learning curve. >> > What is everyone looking to do? >> > Wally >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:00:52 -0700 >> > Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel >> > Store >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi All... >> > >> > I'm a observer on the Android development as I >> > haven't had any time to use if for development yet...However, I have >> > several >> > apps in the app store written in MonoTouch and I have 4 more due this >> > month... >> > >> > We are from Oklahoma, where a deal is a deal...If >> > you want out of the deal then let us know why, when and (at the very >> > least) >> > what we should expect since we invested time and money in you...If I did >> > this to >> > a customer, I'd have a pissed off 6' 5" cowboy at my door the next >> > morning... >> > >> > My major concern is having to move to exclusive >> > XCode development to continue our products. We can do this, but I'd rather >> > not >> > have to explain to my wife (owner of the company too) we need to re invest >> > 6 >> > months in retraining our help not to mention loosing the momentum we have >> > with >> > our other apps... >> > >> > Wally, dude....Love the books...I've bought >> > 2...Lead us Obi Wan against the evil empire (evil_empire = >> > Attachmate)... >> > >> > P.S Did I mention my wife is German? >> > >> > >> > Steve >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Wally McClure >> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:37 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch >> > Android on Novel Store >> > >> > You and me both. I just watched at least $100k of work go >> > down the drain with this. I am upset to say the least. >> > >> > >> > Wally >> > >> > >> > >> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:35:27 -0300 >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: >> > Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch Android on >> > Novel >> > Store >> > >> > >> > >> > I have an application deployed on 2 enterprises and with new >> > contracts to come to honor util July… And porting to Android is in the >> > middle of >> > the process with a contract in standby too. >> > >> > >> > Will just be good to know from Attachmate and Xamarin what happens with >> > actual licences to see if we can change our jobs, scape from country to >> > avoid >> > local law, move do Alaska and work with fishing, call international >> > lawyers or >> > if we just continue working… >> > >> > >> > (Maybe I can sell hotdogs and soda at the beach) >> > >> > >> > Karl >> > >> > >> >>From : Nick Maddern <[email protected]> >> > Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:20:57 +1000 >> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [mono-android] Can not >> > purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I am interested in knowing what the future for MonoTouch is…. I am >> > currently writing an application, and getting close to the point where I >> > want to >> > deploy to an iDevice. >> > Questions going through my head are: >> > - Do I bite the bullet and purchase a MT license now so I can deploy >> > before >> > they pull it from the store, but left with $$$ worth of unsupported >> > software >> > (will it still be unsupported?)? >> > - Or should I wait (and delay!) x number of months to buy the shiny new >> > product? And how long will x be? >> > >> > >> > There are a lot of unknowns in what is going on in MT land… with all the >> > turmoil going on (e.g. Apples TOS banning and then allowing MT, >> > Attachmate) it makes me nervous to keep investing time and effort in >> > MT and related technologies (don’t get me wrong… I love the thing) >> > >> > >> > I would just like a clear roadmap with expected timelines from >> > Attachmate/Xamarin to help me make my decisions. >> > >> > >> > Thanks, Nick >> > >> > From: Marcio Alexandroni <[email protected]> >> > Reply-To: Discussions related to Mono for >> > Android <[email protected]> >> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:00:05 -0300 >> > To: Discussions related to Mono for Android >> ><[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase >> > Monotouch Android on Novel Store >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > It looks >> > like Miguel and his guys are in a new company to create a new toolset for >> > iOS >> > and Android, i.e., it seems they are not working anymore on MonoTouch and >> > Mono-Android. >> > >> > So the question remains, what will be the future of the >> > current tools, by Attachmante? >> > >> > I guess we will have to wait to see what >> > happens, or wait for the new Miguel's tools and buy them again. >> > >> > Marcio >> > Alexandroni >> > ( (+55 11) >> > 9989-8316 >> > >> > cialogica >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Nikolai Sander <[email protected]> >> > Reply-To: Discussions >> > related to Mono for Android <[email protected]> >> > Date: Mon, 16 May >> > 2011 12:55:13 -0700 >> > To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: >> > [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel >> > Store >> > >> > Yes! >> > >> > http://tirania.org/blog/ >> > >> > Nikolai >> > >> > On May 16, >> > 2011, at 12:53 PM, Brian Nelson wrote: >> > >> > >> > It's Monday... >> > >> > Any >> > news? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Brian Nelson >> > Software Architect >> > Mobile >> > Epiphany >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Nic Wise <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > possibly, you wait until monday when Miguel >> > announces something. he's at Google IO, so I suspect he's busy (or hung >> > over.... hang on, thats SXSW ) >> > >> > >> > plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> >> > Paul Litwin >> > @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> When can we >> > expect to hear from you on the Attachmate debacle and how it affects Mono, >> > MonoTouch, and MonoDroid? >> > 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/67734122096885760> >> > Favorite <https://twitter.com/#> Retweet <https://twitter.com/#> >> > Reply <https://twitter.com/#> >> > >> > migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> >> > Miguel de >> > Icaza >> > >> > @ >> > >> > @plitwin >> > <http://twitter.com/plitwin> Monday I will have a >> > full statement >> > 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza/status/67735755828641792> >> > <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> >> > <https://twitter.com/#> >> > >> > plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> Paul Litwin >> > @ >> > @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> Today is >> > Monday! :) I presume you mean next Monday? >> > 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/6773 >> > 5895264075776> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> >> > <https://twitter.com/#> >> > in reply to ↑ >> ><https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> >> > >> > @migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> >> > Miguel de >> > Icaza >> > @plitwin <http://twitter.com/plitwin> >> > yes >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May >> > 11, 2011 at 11:49, Eric Beser <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I have been trying to purchase the Monotouch >> > android, and I get as far as payment, and the error is “this option is not >> > available for your area” and paypal is not working >> > either. >> > >> > >> > Has the store been effectively >> > closed? 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