Let me say I'm a huge fan of mootools, and I see "elitism" being thrown around a lot.
The problem is - jQuery is for designers. They tout that. They talk about how easy it is to learn, and how friendly the community is. MooTools never once made this claim. They set expectations very high - we're not here to teach you javascript. They compiled tutorials on javascript AND mootools (yay aaron's mootorial!). MooTools is a framework for people who already have the basics under their belt, and can read forum ruls, and understand that code snippets (and more so, demo pages) get answers. I point out jQuery, because it's the one I've seen most touted by people who get fed up (as if it's a real threat? Is my virtual mootools stock going down?) and "switch" only to sit on the board and bitch about their scripts. The problem is the treatment of "newbs" which still prevails. It would behoove someone to start a "mootools-newbs" for the people who have no idea what they're doing or asking - I'm looking at the script kiddies that download a script and then say "why won't my site work with it" and then expect everyone to pay attention to them. Honestly, I think the CodeIgniter quote sinches it - the MooTools dev team's priorities may not be yours. And they shouldn't be. You know how long I've been bugging to get an alphaPNG fix added to MooTools? They said no. Repeatedly. And I listened. I moved on. Sure, I cried myself to bed that night because some one on the internet was brash with me, but I realized something that night... I'm a fucking grown up, shit doesn't always go my way, and I can make it work for me, their decisions be damned. So I write my own classes and effects. I write my own code. I make stuff that works in mootools and jquery. (and, jquery pissed me off last night, so for today, jquery sucks. Mootools will suck tomorrow when I have to rewrite the alphapng fix). This pissing and moaning befits prepubescent children. Tom, you want to sue MooTools for being a free product that you choose to use? Do you threaten lawsuits when your hamburger isn't like the picture, too? Grow up, man up, and move along. There's a life lesson in there for you. This reminds me of when everyone chewed out ibolmo. Grow up and get over it. Life goes on, we all still are artists. We take our lumps and learn from it. The end. :) On Oct 5, 3:03 pm, tr0y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen none of this elitism. Every response to these accusations > is responded to the same way, "We are focusing on developing the > framework and nothing else, we understand if that is not what you are > looking for, and we encourage to work with another if that is the > case." > > As far as community, there is absolutely a core of dedicated > individuals beyond the devs who develop plugins, help people with > their problems and share solutions with each other. > > I have found these people here in the groups, in the irc, and in the > forums. Most of my questions get answered between these sources and > searches. I think the idea of elitism is more real than the elitism > itself. > > I don't have anything new to add, I suppose. I just want to echo what > I believe to be the most mature response from 'members' of the > community: keep up the good work devs, we are here for a top notch > library, and we don't expect anything else. > > Thanks.
