thanks for reply

On Sep 1, 11:53 pm, Sanford Whiteman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > I dont know if I can safely change the joomla call to Tips.
> > How to make it work at domready?
>
> I don't know what you were trying to demo in that shell.

well it was Barry's suggestion that I put up a minimal demo.
But i wasnt too sure either so I made a best effort.
and this one...
http://jsfiddle.net/pf2uV/1/
does demonstrate the error which shows on the mouseover

>
> http://jsfiddle.net/pf2uV/6/
>
> This  one  has  no  errors.  Note  the  difference is that the 1.1-1.2
> upgrade  helper  is  not  loaded. That's a different variable that you
> hadn't been mentioning.

perhaps I did kinda mention it in that I said [quote] with the Joomla
mtupgrade plugin [/quote]
which as I understand it includes some or all of that helper layer.
And thats what I need it to work with.
I didnt get chance to ask the joomla folks yet but I will try there
also

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