> well it was Barry's suggestion that I put up a minimal demo.
> But i wasnt too sure either so I made a best effort.
> and this one...
> http://jsfiddle.net/pf2uV/1/
> does demonstrate the error which shows on the mouseover

Yes  -- because of the compat layer, though, not anything having to do
with the Tips class itself.

> perhaps I did kinda mention it in that I said [quote] with the Joomla
> mtupgrade plugin [/quote]
> which as I understand it includes some or all of that helper layer.
> And thats what I need it to work with.

Fair  point.  I don't use J! so I don't recognize its modules by name.
That's  one  of the problems with using frameworks to load frameworks:
it's difficult to get support from a single source.

Let  me  look  back  at the shell and tell you what's hosing it in the
compat layer. Why do you need to have compatibility, though?

-- S.

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