One of the things I say (repeatedly) in that article is that jQuery isn't bad. There are a *tons* of great web services using it. Netflix comes to mind. The developers there are not shabby. They know their JavaScript. jQuery is a great DSL for the DOM (though a little esoteric for my personal tastes) but JavaScript is still there, a powerful language for you to use how you like. Read this:
http://www.clientcide.com/best-practices/jquery-and-the-ajax-experience-programming-to-the-pattern-and-what-really-makes-one-framework-different-from-another/ MooTools isn't better than jQuery, it's just different and has a different scope. I'd argue that early on the MooTools team focused on a consistent, high quality codebase and that jQuery focused on community and ease of use. If one looks at the market place you can easily assert that they made the better choice. If you want to see MooTools compete with other frameworks in the market place, everyone here should make it their mission to tell everyone how good it is, how powerful it is, and to do what they can to make it easier for others to use it. Release your own code ( http://www.clientcide.com/tools/why-you-should-consider-releasing-code/), write blog posts and share what you learn ( http://www.clientcide.com/deep-thoughts/the-cost-of-developing-rich-interfaces/). MooTools is only going to be around as long as everyone here contributes, each in their own way. -a On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Paul Schwarz <[email protected]> wrote: > Interestingly... > > When I was new to JS frameworks it came down to jQuery or Mootools and > I read Aaron's famous comparison between the two, and many factors of > what he said swung me to Mootools. One of those factors was the > elitism! it's deeper than that though... it's because I felt that I > wanted to work with a framework that has principles, is pure, and > might be harder to learn but can do more. I could be wrong here, but I > see jQuery as a language of nifty one-liners that get your website to > do flick-flacks. That's awesome, but I wanted to invest my time once > in a framework that on one hand could do awesome animations, but on > the next project could successfully handle all sorts of data > presentation widgets including implementing many of the design > patterns that are well known in Java. Javascript, but then Mootools, > opens up (and maybe closes) a few new patterns. I wanted to know that > my foundation was strong and that I'm not just using a framework of > fancy tricks with no real substance. I think the word "elitist" just > gave me a little more confidence. I come from a background of Google > Web Toolkit, so it's great to know that there are people in the > Mootools camp who are just as hardcore as the guys behind GWT. > > > On Aug 1, 9:26 pm, Aaron Newton <[email protected]> wrote: > > Years ago (around 2006) MooTools had a forum hosted on mootools.net. > This > > forum was originally for people to talk about building the framework as > the > > framework was still in beta. The people talking there were mostly > > experienced JS developers. As the framework grew more popular, users > started > > showing up asking for help *using *the framework. On a daily basis we'd > get > > posts to the effect that "Accordion doesn't work" from JS novices. At > first > > these people were helped but over time a few members grew exasperated and > > where less than helpful. As this problem grew worse we moved the forums > to > > Google groups, moved the developer discussions to a different forum, and > > things generally improved. When Piotr built jsfiddle for the community, > > things got exponentially more friendly, as now the response to "Accordion > > doesn't work" isn't "it does, you're just doing it wrong" is "show me on > > jsfiddle and I'll help you fix it." That early 2006-ish reputation is the > > one that persists, despite all the friendly people here. I don't think > I've > > had to moderate a single comment on these boards in the last 4 years or > > more. > > > > -a > > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Philip Thompson <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Aaron Newton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> Simply be better than everyone else.... =D > > > > >> lulz. the irony. > > > > > Actually, I'm more curious, "who/what community" says that Mootoolers > are > > > snobs? > > > > > ~Philip > > > > > -- > > >http://lonestarlightandsound.com/ >
