Thanks Grey for the follow-up. People on the forum need to be very careful when posting claims like the one Grey addresses. It is irresponsible at best, and can cost the seller lots of money at worst, when these types of speculation get posted as fact. Todd Brown
In a message dated 7/18/2004 1:35:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Smith, Grey - 367" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Cristophe: >A wrong assumption on your part my friend! That was not the same poster at all. If >fact you might try inquiring before posting something such as this. >This poster was indeed completely intact and would not be described as such if this >was not the case. In the future you might check up on your facts before posting. >Grey Smith > >-----Original Message----- >From: MoPo List on behalf of cris anca >Sent: Sat 7/17/2004 4:18 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: >Subject: Re: [MOPO] Whats with the whole Heritage deal? >On the topic of the "nice items" the Heritage auction has for sale, let's not forget >that many of them were bought on eBay, "touched up" a bit and now sold as treausers. >See the "Tobor the great" one sheet poster which-at the time of its listing on >ebay-had a considerable chunk missing from the center lower part and it is now Fine >on linen. >Good luck bidding. >Cristophe > > >"JRS MoviePosterBid.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm not posting this as the operator of MoPoBid. I'm posting this as >someone who spends thousands of dollars a year buying posters for his own >personal collection -- and because Grey Smith invited me publicly, on this >list, to bid on these Heritage auctions. So, before I plunge in and start >bidding on them, let me get this straight: > >1) They are listed as auctions on eBay, but they don't close on eBay. My >high eBay bid just gets transferred to the "live auction floor" at 10 PM >CDT tonight where it can be overbid by others in person or on the phone or >with a fax machine sometime tomorrow? I'm not big on that idea, but OK, I >guess... but wait... I just read the FINE PRINT in the eBay auction (the >caps are my addition): > >"Occasionally the auctioneer may ELIMINATE OR REJECT an eBay Live bid, and >the auctioneer may also REOPEN A LOT AFTER THE CLOSE of the eBay live >bidding (usually because we missed an audience bid), and MAY REJECT YOUR >BID EVEN IF IT SHOWS YOU AS THE WINNING BIDDER. By bidding via eBay Live, >you agree that Heritage MAY AWARD THE LOT TO ANOTHER BIDDER at its sole >discretion under the circumstances described above or any other reasonable >circumstances. Since eBay bids are not shown to us until we open the lot >on the floor, we treat those bids just like floor bids. In most cases the >floor responds before the eBay bid is presented to us, DUE TO INTERNET LAG >TIME, so for consistency we have made it a policy that floor bids are >always considered first over tie eBay live bids." > >... internet lag time? In this day of high-speed connections? But hey, >they say they auction 250 lots per hour -- Wow, that's one item every 15 >seconds! That's awfully fast for a live auction. What's the rush anyway? >They've been advertising this auction for months now, but and when it >comes down to the close, they only got time to spend 15 seconds taking the >last bids? And what about those phone bids... how do the people on the >phone manage to respond in those 15 seconds... much less respond again and >bid again... then respond and bid again... and what about those fax >machine bids? I guess their fax machine has a really fast printer on it, >to be able to get in a competitive bid in that 15 seconds. But, hey, the >pokey old high-speed internet connection really isn't up to the challenge, >I guess...? > >Look, if any of the above fine print strikes y'all as a fair way to run an >auction, please contact me. I have a some nice Florida acreage I need to >sell and the only fine print is that they require just a "little" drainage >to be ideal home sites... > >2) Apparently if I bid on the item directly on the Heritage website, I pay >a buyer's premium of 15%. But if I place my bid on one of their items >through eBay, I pay a buyer's premium of 20%. No explanation given for the >difference. That's just the way it is. What they are doing, of course, is >charging me the extra 5% to pay for their eBay listing. > >... y'know, one time on my auctions I said that those who paid with PayPal >would have to pay 2% extra to cover half of the 4% PayPal charges me for >taking PayPal payments. When I did that, eBay TERMINATED my auctions less >than 12 hours after I posted them and sent me a stern warning that I was >NOT ALLOWED to charge any extra percentage to cover my eBay or PayPal >fees. But I guess Heritage gets a special deal from them. Rank has it >privileges... > >So what Heritage is doing here is using eBay to ADVERTISE their auctions. >They are not REAL eBay auctions, are they? They don't close on eBay, nor >do they follow standard eBay guidelines for what you can and can't do with >an eBay auction -- and my high bid when it "ends" on eBay may not be the >high bid when the auction *really* closes... or if it is, Heritage >reserves the right to reject my high eBay bid and award it to another >bidder "at its sole discretion"? Plus... for all of the above "benefits" I >get to pay an EXTRA 5% to cover the cost of eBay letting them float these >mirages on eBay in the first place? > >3) In addition to the buyer's premium (which I continually raise on myself >whenever I raise my bid), unlike normal eBay auctions, Heritage has a >special bid increment scale for me to use. When I place a bid I must go >over the current bid by at least the following amounts: > >< $99 bid increment is $1 >$100 - $249 bid increment is $5 >$250 - $499 bid increment is $10 >$500 - $999 bid increment is $25 >$1,000 - $2,499 bid increment is $50 >$2,500 - $4,999 bid increment is $100 > >...etc. these are approximately DOUBLE eBay's normal bid increments. > >... so, if the item I want goes over $100, I will have to bid over the >current bid by at least $5 bucks... I mean at least $10 bucks if it goes >over $250... no... I mean $25 bucks if it goes over 500... but hey, once >we're bidding over $500, and paying a buyer's premium of 15%... or is it >20%? ... well, anyway, what's an extra $25 bucks between friends at that >point? > >But hey, what's my beef here anyway? What am I, some kind of cheap skate >trying to chisel hard-working auctioneers out of a few well-earned >dollars? Heritage has some really nice posters for auction that they are >already charging the owners of the posters 10 to 20% to auction them off >for them, so why am I complaining about them want to pick up another lousy >20% or so? > >This is stuff I can't get anywhere else, after all. I mean, I can't get >this stuff anywhere else, right? So it's surely worth going along with all >of the above... um... let's call them "unusual online auction practices" >to be let in on this golden opportunity, right? > >-- JR > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kirby McDaniel" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:58 >Subject: Re: [MOPO] Whats with the heritage Buyer's Premiums? > > >> It's 5% for ebay Baby! >> That's it. >> Kirby >> >> >> On Jul 16, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Evan Zweifel wrote: >> >> > Don't forget the buyer's premium! This item is also cross referenced >> > on eBay at: >> > >> > http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> > ViewItem&rd=1&item=2253371939&category=60332 >> > >> > Which lists the buyer's premium at 20% (YES TWENTY PERCENT)!! >> > >> > However, it seems like if you buy it on the heritage site -- you only >> > pay 15%!! >> > >> > Whats up with that? >> > >> > Evan. >> > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > >> > I am selling a YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE Italian Four Panel (45" X 78") in >> > the Heritage Auction. It is in near mint conditon and Grey has a value >> > of $500-800 on it. The current bid is $135 and THERE IS NO RESERVE. >> > Take a look if you want to pick up a great JAMES BOND poster WAY BELOW >> > MARKET VALUE. >> > Here is the link: >> > http://apps.heritagecomics.com/common/view_item.php? >> > source=&Sale_No=603&Lot_No=16085 >> > If the link doesn't work, the item number is 16085. >> > Thanks!! >> > Dave Smith >> > Reel Deals >> > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at >> > >www.filmfan.com________________________________________________________ >> > ___________How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing ListSend a message >> > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the BODY of your >> > message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-LThe author of this message is solely >> > responsible for its content. >> > >> > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at >> > >www.filmfan.com________________________________________________________ >> > ___________How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing ListSend a message >> > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the BODY of your >> > message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-LThe author of this message is solely >> > responsible for its content. >> > >> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >> >> Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >> >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >> >> > >Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >___________________________________________________________________ >How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > >Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > >The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > >Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
