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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:14
AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] the extra folds
Craig,
I wonder, how long have you been collecting? It is well
known, and well-documented, going back forever, that the folding of inserts
and half-sheets by the National Screen Service (NSS) for distribution to the
theaters was, indeed, standard procedure until the mid-1970's --
just as it was for one sheets. The reason most of the inserts and
half-sheets were folded when the larger 30x40s were not is *because* they were
smaller -- they could be folded and placed in the same size envelopes they
used to sent the folded one-sheets to the theaters. Often they were included
in the same envelope with the folded one-sheets. The reason the 30x40's and
larger were not usually folded is that they could not be practically folded
small enough to fit in the envelopes without being ruined and so they
were usually shipped in a mailing tube. Most of the heavy-paper 30x40s
and 40x60s were intended for Drive-In theaters, which often had exposed,
outside display areas -- and that is why they were on heavier paper...
because they were going to be exposed more to the weather than regular
thin-paper posters.
I've been collecting posters for over 40 years, and inserts
and half-sheets were almost always found folded, except for the few that
didn't get sent out by the NSS and ended up getting in collectors and dealers
hands directly from the warehouses. Also, a few theaters paid extra to have
their posters sent unfolded -- including the one sheets -- so you could
sometimes come across an unfolded insert or half-sheet that way. But not
usually.
Now, once you got into the late 70's and early 80's it
became much more common for posters to be shipped rolled in tubes, including
the one-sheets, inserts and half-sheets (which were fading away by that time
anyway).
Many consider the "factory folds" to be small defects, even
if it was standard procedure. Obviously, a genuine vintage poster which
was never folded is more desirable than one which was. But since most were
folded, many collectors do not consider normal factory folds to be a
defect. I certainly don't.
But to suggest that most vintage inserts and half-sheets
were not normally folded as standard practice when they were originally issued
by the NSS through the 1960's is just absurd. They most definitely were.
The NSS printing plants had mechanical folding machines to do the
job -- which is why you will find that the fold lines are almost always
exactly in the same place on an insert or half sheet, even if you compare
posters that were produced many years or even decades apart.
Now, sometimes you will find a poster (of any size) that has
an extra fold or two. This usually happened when a poster was quickly and
carelessly re-folded by someone down the line... perhaps the guy at the
theater when he took it down to send it back to NSS or put it on a shelf...
perhaps by a careless collector (unlikely that a professional
dealer would ever have introduced an extra fold).
But rest assured that the normal factory folds found on
vintage inserts and half-sheets were put there by the NSS as part of their
standard procedure when the posters were originally printed and
distributed.
-- JR
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:38
Subject: Re: [MOPO] the extra folds
TWO THINGS ABOUT WHICH I'M NOT ENTIRELY
COMFORTABLE ARE DEALERS' STATEMENTS TO THE EFFECT THAT FOLDING INSERTS
AND 1/2 SHEETS WAS "STANDARD" AND THE READY ACCEPTANCE BY BUYERS OF
THAT ALLEGATION AS PROOF OF THE TRUTH OF THE FACT ALLEGED WITHOUT
SUBSTANTIATION.
IT SEEMS TO ME THE HEAVY GAUGE PAPER MILITATES
AGAINST THE FACT THAT THEY WERE FOLDED AT THE PRINTERS. SO DOES THE FACT THAT
SO FEW OF THE SAME GAUGE 30X40 AND 40X60 POSTERS ARE FOLDED. (I HAVE AROUND 20
OF THE 30X40 AND 40X60 POSTERS AND NONE ARE FOLDED.) HOW DID THEY GET SENT
AROUND THEATRES UNFOLDED AND SMALLER POSTERS DID NOT, WHEN THE LATTER
COULD HAVE FIT ROLLED IN THE SAME CONTAINERS AS THE BIG ONES?
BUT THEY MUST HAVE BEEN FOLDED BY SOMEONE, SO MANY ARE IN
THAT CONDITION. I WONDER WHETHER MOST INSERTS AND HSs HAVE
NOT JUST BEEN FOLDED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THEM STORED WITH LESS CARE
FOR THE RESULTS OF DOING SO OR BY COLLECTORS LOOKING TO SAVE STORAGE
SPACE.
CERTAINLY THESE FOLDS ARE DEFECTS - "STANDARD" OR
NOT.
CRAIG, VANCOUVER
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:14
PM
Subject: [MOPO] the extra folds
i have about 4 inserts that each have two extra horizontal
folds.
isn't it ironic that i find it more offensive on my 10/15.00 Compulsion
poster, than on my $1800 Rebecca?
.....................and, extra folds on inserts seems to
me to be the biggest undisclosed defect on that size poster.
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