I have been dubious about the "minty white" inserts for a long time,
but I don't KNOW.
I would certainly not buy one knowingly with the intention of
reselling it. I am in the reselling business,
and I want people to have confidence that what they buy from me is
authentic. If avoiding
these posters fosters that, I am happy to give up any potential
profits from them.
Unless some real factual information comes forward that is completely
credible, my opinion is that these are damaged goods at best.
Kirby McDaniel
www.movieart.net
On Jun 10, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
Helmut Hamm wrote: "My question to Ed and Sue from LAMP is: Do you
actually still see a 'controversy' over this issue [the
authenticity of the "minty white" inserts]? Quite frankly,
everybody I know seems to think they are fake. Everybody else on
the list, please be so kind and refrain from comments until Ed and
Sue have had their say. Thank you."
Helmut wrote this four days ago, and as of yet, no response from
Ed. I think it would be really nice if every long time dealer in
the hobby needs to weigh in on this subject, either saying they
believe them to be genuine, some sort of "re-strikes", or
reproductions, or that they don't have enough knowledge or evidence
to give an opinion.
Certainly, it would be great if new collectors were presented with
those opinions, so they could have all the information needed to
decide if they want to buy any of these.
I have made this the subject of my latest e-mail club poll. I state
the following in my club message:
"I felt it is long overdue that the members of this club discuss
something that has been whispered about all through the hobby for
years, namely the "minty white" inserts that have sold in great
quantities on eBay. I want to bring this subject "out in the open"
and I hope some of the leading voices in this hobby will come out
publicly with THEIR views on this subject, either through a message
to me that they allow me to print here with their name, or through
a post to an online forum (I have long ago made my own views on
this subject known, and will do so again in this club next week
when I present the results of the following poll).
This NEW poll asks, "My opinion of the authenticity of "minty
white" inserts is (see below for a detailed explanation of what
these are):" The listed choices are:
I believe the "minty white" inserts are genuine posters that were
printed at the time of release.
I believe the "minty white" inserts are re-strike posters that were
printed at the time of release.
I believe the "minty white" inserts are re-strike posters that were
printed after the time of release.
I believe the "minty white" inserts are reproductions that were
printed long after the time of release.
I believe there is not enough evidence to make an absolute decision
on these either way.
Other (please explain what your other opinion is)
IMPORTANT NOTE: One of the most "controversial" subjects in the
movie paper collecting hobby are the "minty white" inserts which
are endlessly sold on eBay (these are top titles from the 1970s and
1980s which are printed on a different sort of paper stock from
that of any insert from the same period any collector has ever
seen). The inserts are printed on a "whiter than white" paper that
is glossy on both sides, which has earned them the well-deserved
nickname of "minty white" inserts. Since the beginning of eBay,
hundreds (or thousands) of EACH of these titles have been sold, and
there is seemingly an endless supply of each. In the early days of
eBay, these titles sold for roughly the same prices as known
originals, but in recent years, their prices have dropped
significantly, and it is rare that they are purchased by anyone who
is not a brand new collector. Many collectors purchased these early
in their collecting career, and have found them difficult or
impossible to re-s!
ell. Most collectors and dealers have an opinion as to the
originality of these posters! Some say they are originals from a
"warehouse find", others say they are "re-strikes" that were
printed from the original plates, either at the time or later, and
some say they are flat out reproductions, printed years after the
fact. Pick whichever of the choices below best describes YOUR
personal opinion of these "minty white" inserts (feel free to
expand on your opinion in the "Comments" box below, and please be
sure to say whether you have ever bought or sold any of these
inserts)"
If any MoPo members are NOT members of my e-mail club, you can join
by going to http://www.emovieposter.com/mail/clubsignup.php (only
club members can vote in the poll)
I will post the results of the poll on MoPo next week, along with
my thoughts. I hope that during the coming week, Ed and Sue will
give their thoughts, and that many other longtime dealers will post
as well.
Thanks to Helmut for once again raising this issue. There may be
lots of "controversy" over this subject, but there is no disputing
that hundreds of thousands of dollars (maybe millions!) have been
spent on these inserts, and there is no disputing that they
currently sell for a fraction of the price of known originals, so
this certainly is an important issue for our hobby!
Bruce
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