It appears I made a mistake about the "RARE" Deer Hunter UK withdrawn
style.
There's one on ebay that I hadn't seen:
"These can be very difficult to find in any condition!
A long time can go by without one of these coming up for sale.
You will have trouble finding a nicer one.
This poster was withdrawn from circulation soon after it was issued.
A very rare poster, the one all collectors want!"
My apologies, I stand corrected, no box find there then, and doubtless
a smart investment at $1,495.00.
Cheers,
Rich
Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:53:39 -0700
Ah, yes, the once "rare" withdrawn style UK one sheet and double crown
for the Deer Hunter.
Nice art, perceived rarity, and the appeal of it being banned art.
Not ever going to be that much of a market for it.
Unlike a hooker in Dior, an image of Russian Roulette hardly lending
itself well to the ambience in the lounge. (Funnily enough, much like
the Peeping Tom quad, another EMI/Anglo- Amalgamated title.) There's
presumably been a find of the Deer Hunter withdrawn style, since
they're now very easily available from multiple dealers.
Though, on at least one site, still referred to as "rare".
I wouldn't expect a dealer to include in the listing, "now all over
the place due to a box find", but I'd have thought that "rare" is now
pushing it a bit. Or is the term "rare" still justifiable, relative to
say, oh, I dunno... Peeping Tom quads?
Cheers,
Rich
On 30 Jul 2009, at 15:15, [email protected] wrote:
I have many conversations with some of the best dealers in the
world, when I say best I mean best not highest priced or biggest
beautiful inventory the best dealers the genuine guys that are the
back bone of this hobby.
There are some titles that have been mentioned in this thread and I
will reiterate a few that in the book world would be called common
rarities.
Lets take a few titles here. Breakfast at Tiffany's US One sheet.
This is a poster that has hit over £5,000 before. It hits that price
why? This poster is a maximum priced poster for it's age at what
should be around $1500. But lets face it if we could get this poster
at that price we would be breaking arms off the owners to make the
deal. The reason this poster has such a price tag is the
desirability. It's not because of the film. The film was about a
Prostitute who kept unusual company. The poster is probably better
than the film...however Audrey Hepburn is the most iconic fashion
actres on this one poster of the cinema history. Not even Marilyn
Monroe hits that most fashionable, stylish check box that Audrey
Hepburn in a Christian Dior dres does. This poster is not rare, we
all know if we want to find one we can and it will be at a price. If
you want a bargain on this poster you have to wait and wait a long
time. It hits these high prices because of the desire behind it and
again if there are any dealers out there that can not say=2 0that
they laugh all the way to the bank because they have sold this
poster for a good price then I don't beleive you.
Another title From Russia With Love UK Quad. It seems that every
major Brit auction will now have one of these and they sold for not
more than £750, however it is now at least £5k retail and that is
because of the desirability, it is the ultimate Bond poster with
Connery giving his best sardonic upturned eyebrow grin. It is rare
but common, same as Breakfast at Tiffany's.
The rarity value in say War of the World UK Quad makes these posters
un reachable because very few still exist, if there were plenty the
price would be low and we'd all have one in our collection, but the
question is, is it desirable? Well of course it is but to only those
who are either sci fi fans, Brit poster fans or mainline poster
collectors. All of these added together doesn't equate to al those
out there that will buy Breakfast at Tiffany's and From Russia With
Love.
And we can throw more titles into the fray Goldfinger Brit Quad,
Some Like it Hot Insert, Rear Window One Sheet, Forbidden Planet One
Sheet...e al.
The point is there are some schmucks out there willing to pay a
large price for what they desire.
You want to talk about maret value? If you can get $10k for an
Attack of the 50ft Woman Insert then any dealer will say "hey hold
the phone it's yours gimme the cash", it is whether you have a
collector (generally someon e who knows the score and will be
patient and bide his time and hunt for the bargain) or the impulse
buyer who will want and need that poster and be willing to pay
blindly.
You point out Bruce's auctions and the opportunity of market value.
I think this is a poor example as an auction is a game of chance.
One time I remember he had the "rare" UK one sheet of The Deer
Hunter and it sold for over $700 (this was on ebay way back when)
and at the same time another dealer had one and couldn't sell it for
alf that price. So tell me does market value play here? I don't
think so, we can argue this over and over the plain and simple truth
is if you are a collector and willing to be patient sooner or later
the item will turn up. If you are someone who wants and has the cash
then there are plenty out there who will fleece you.
Auction value can never be used as a yardstick. Any item whether its
$25 or $1million (Frankenstein Lobby Cards!!!) it is only worth it
to that person who is wiling to pay whatever price that item might
be. As I said for the year and the frequency that it turns up
Breakfast at Tiffany's should only be maximum $1500
My advice is to find those dealers...the best dealers and you will
be satisfied. Rich Heluga is doing a fine job and you wil pick up a
bargain. Posteritati is doing a fine job too and you wil get your
hearts desire. Both are decent and good dealers and yes in their
fields the best. There are oth ers too.
Go forth and seek...
-----Original Message-----
From: lobby card invasion <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:34
Subject: Re: [MOPO] I'm growing tired of this hobby
Jeffrey,
To you, and a few others that hold a similar attitude, I just don't
get you guys.
Who are you to play to supreme arbiter as to the value of a poster?
If "the mean dealers" are asking way too much for their posters, why
don't you buy the same poster from a reasonable dealer? You say
that you enjoy hunting, then hunt away! What's the beef?
Why should you grow tired of this hobby?
Or, are you saying that ALL dealers have conspired in this plot
against the innocent collectors? In that case, just maybe dealers
have a more realistic idea of the poster's value, and how difficult
it would be to replace that item that you really want, but feel is
way overpriced?
And if its real, old fashioned auctions that you miss, the ones in
which the marketplace is dictating the real and fair value of
posters, I will reveal to you some insiders' secrets:
Bruce Hershenson is running hugh auctions, twice a week yet, where
all items start at 99 cents! Check them out.
Richard Halegua is running a similar, 99 cent starting bid, auction,
once a week, every week, and luckily for us it does not fall on the
same day as the Hershenson's auctions.
Every once in a while Sean Linkenback runs similar auctions, and
guess what? He specializes in Horror SciFi cards! You gotta admit
that sounds great.
There are more though. Let me know if you need a list.
Best, Zeev
----- Original Message -----
From:20 Walton, Jeffrey
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: [MOPO] I'm growing tired of this hobby
It used to be fun hunting for the next poster, even hunting on the
internet used to be fun….not anymore…it seems a lot of dealers are
afraid of fair market value….again I use the same scenario as I have
done before…if you go to movie posters on ebay list by the highest
posters first, auctions only, you’ll see what I mean. You have to
scroll pretty long for anyone selling something without an e
xtremely high reserve, you’ll have to scroll pretty long to find
someone actually bidding on a poster….the only one that seems to be
generating some interest is a saul bass window card. Don’t even get
me started on the buy it nows…3 breakfast at tiffany’s one sheet the
cheapest starting at $7500 most say rare…rare? Really I just saw
three in three seconds…show me a British quad for war of the worlds
and I’ll show you rare….an insert for 50ft woman for 10 g’s….didn’t
a one sheet sell for a lot less just less than one week ago.
Go ahead nail me to a cross but I’ve become so disenchanted lately
with the dealer mentality (and it’s not just movie posters). Hey I
understand about profit, cost analysis, and all that jazz …I’ve said
this before and I’ll say it again…profit is one thing…blood from a
stone is another….now everyone seems to wait for their piece to
bring in the next big coinage….years gone bye, one would buy a
poster for $25, sell if for $75…a tidy profit…now if one buys a
poster for $25 and hears one just for $500….guess what the new price
of the poster they have in stock…$500….or even $450 to make it seem
like a bargain.
I used to add probably a poster once a month to my collection…not
anymore…it’s not that I have it all, I see a ton of material out
there that warrants a bid, it’s just everyone wants a kings ransom
for it now so guess what…they can keep in their stock rooms and I’ll
find something else to keep the economy rolling.
Bruce aside, why can’t we bring back fair market value, why be
afraid of the knowledge of the collector….if you want to sell a
poster let the people decide on the price it should sell…dealers
should deal..not be in retail.
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