Rich, No, no one has been reimbursed for a forged Creature one sheet. Two were sold by Heritage after November of '07. I am not sure any of us know exactly when the beginnings of repros began but my belief is early to mid 2008, though I am sure opinions will vary. But the two copies of the Creature one sheets I did sell since that date were unbacked and unrestored in any way, and in near mint condition. I do have a copy in the upcoming sale and know it to be original as had a 3-D logo on it and it was removed before the backing. Had I known the poster had been faked probably would have left in the original condition with the large printed snipe.
See results below. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7003&Lot_No=86534 http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=694&Lot_No=29422 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:01 PM To: Smith, Grey - 1367 Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? > I am very certain that no individual has in their possession a > forged poster that came from Heritage. Grey, did you have cause to privately reimburse any buyers of Creature from the Black Lagoon 1 shts? If not, have you checked any bought from Heritage prior to your knowledge of the fakes? (Or for that matter, other perhaps as yet unknown 1 sheet fakes.) Obviously, if a Black Cat 1 sheet can be scanned and reproduced, almost anything else is a far easier task. Without knowing how many of that rare example have been doing the rounds in the last fews years, I imagine finding one to scan must be incredibly challenging compared to any pieces of lesser rarity and value. And, while worth less, far more lesser value fakes can reach the market before there's any suspicion of the numbers. We can, I hope, look forward to an entertaining, (if not illuminating) response. Richard PS: Thought I'd start a CFTBL thread on NSFGE. Easier for posting pics, and besides things have a tendency to go a bit quiet on here. On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:25, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: > Sean and all MOPOers > > I am very certain that no individual has in their possession a > forged poster that came from Heritage. As a matter of fact, I did > first discover the fact of these fakes when an attempt was made to > consign a "forged" Dracula title card from a respected horror > collector and I promptly not only called the consignor but began > speaking with horror buyers throughout the country that I know, to > let them know what was found. I certainly know Sean and Jim Gresham > will attest to that. I know that Jim G. then sent me cards to look > over, in which my belief was, they were forgeries. > I believe I was the first to suggest to certain collectors in > Columbus that the Frankenstein Title card in another auction may not > be authentic, though I had not seen it, but knowing that some cards > were showing up that were forged. > I have sent clients to John Davis as he began to look into this and > I thought he was doing a good job, I believe, in verifying the cards. > Do I wish I had thrown up a red flare to the hobby earlier? Perhaps, > but the extent of this was not known nor was there much on who may > have been behind it. I think it was when Jim G. sent me his cards > that some of us were very surprised. No, I was not sworn to secrecy, > as some claim, but have worked to warn and help collectors with > questions concerning these since first discovering. > This is a warning to us to look closely in the future. A grading > and perhaps authentification service would be of help but I believe > up to this time the fakes are not difficult to detect. Please be > assured that Heritage is perhaps overly cautious at this stage in > dealing primarily with horror and a few examples of science fiction > titles. > Grey > > On Oct 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "Sean Linkenback" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > While I am a little busy today, if you have a list of all these > items Heritage sold that were fake, I will be happy to comb through > the archives for you. > I believe that the 3-sheet of Ghost of Frankenstein mentioned in the > complaint by Jim Gresham was from Heritage, and I see it has been > removed from their archives. > I also know Heritage's policy is to not report any sales which fell > through, and while I would imagine this would include the > inadvertent selling of fakes perhaps you should address this > question to Grey Smith rather than me, as I am still not on their > (or anyone else's) payroll. > > Sean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce Hershenson<mailto:[email protected]> > To: Sean Linkenback<mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: <mailto:[email protected]> MoPo- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? > > I went to the LAMP site and of course you are correct, and I > apologize for the error, to LAMP and anyone else who was offended by > it. > > I think I was thinking of LAMP not appearing to have anything on > their site about the Dracula fake being "authenticated" and then > withdrawn, or is there a link to that as well? > > Sean, since you seem to be an expert on this, can you tell me if the > Hertiage archives on their site still includes items that proved to > be fake, and if so, why? Doesn't this distort the apparent rarity of > those items? > > Bruce > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at <http://www.filmfan.com> > www.filmfan.com > <http://www.filmfan.com> > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: <mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
