As a business you have insurance for just this reason. The question here is was the item returned to Debi or is the buyer waiting for the refund before they return the item. I'm sure you see the problem.
Sue Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:50:11 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] BIG News in Universal Horror Fraud Case To: [email protected] Sean - I don't know Debi well at all but, in the past, have had some nice conversations with her at her shop and Ray Courts shows. I don't know how much the poster in question cost but strictly out of wondering how one would handle a certain situation. I ask the following... What if she couldn't refund the money right away? Times being what they are. If she had bills to cover and the money was gone. Not sitting in a bank somewhere. If it was a large sum of money that just couldn't be paid back. How would other dealers handle it? I'm not defending anyone's actions. Just curious is all. Glenn T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Linkenback To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] BIG News in Universal Horror Fraud Case MoPo is indeed a strange place. I remember when I first stated that Jaime Mendez was the guilty restorer who made the Universal fakes I was basically roasted for convicting him before the judicial process had a chance to run it's course. Now that he's offered testimony for the Plaintiff (testimony which I am willing to wager no one on here heard - except for Jim Gresham), everyone else is wanting to convict him before the judicial process has a chance to finish running it's course. Kind of reminds me of when I outed Debi Jacobson for not refunding customers when she sold a Universal fake and was roundly blasted by others for not giving her a chance. My understanding is that now two months later and having had the fake in hand for a majority of that time, she is still refusing to refund. Obviously she doesn't have the same moral compass or sense of customer responsibility of a Bruce or other sellers who promptly accepted responsibility when they discovered they had sold a fake. Makes me glad I don't do business with her. ----- Original Message ----- From: Franc To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] BIG News in Universal Horror Fraud Case I think what you're missing is that this restorer is NOT on trial. He's filed an affadavit for the plantiff. And yes, the judicial system would be served well to have me on the jury because I at least understand that in the USA someone is innocent until proven guilty and it's the obligation of the juror not to make his mind up about a case before he's heard the evidence. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] BIG News in Universal Horror Fraud Case The only prayer this restorer has in court is to get TWELVE "Francs" on his jury! On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Franc <[email protected]> wrote: Luckily in our courts you need evidence and proof. Fantasy and conjecture doesn't suffice. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Richard Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] BIG News in Universal Horror Fraud Case Bruce, Perhaps I'm being overly critical, but it seems to me that what Jaime did was actually "worse" than what Kerry did. Jaime enabled Kerry. After all, if Jaime had not made the forgeries for him, then Kerry wouldn't have had any practically perfect fakes to sell to his victims. To say Jaime didn't do anything "wrong" is like saying the guy who engraves the plates to make counterfeit $100 bills didn't do anything wrong because he didn't actually pass out any of the fake money himself. But we're just being mean and small-minded, I guess. It's clear now that Jaime was merely an innocent dupe, just another victim of the silver-tongued devil. Apparently we need to understand that what really happened was something like this: "Kerry: Hi, Jaime. Listen.. I need you to produce another "highly accurate reproduction" of the Black Cat for me, just like the one you did 6 months ago. Naturally I'll pay you the same as last time. Jaime: Gee, Kerry what happened to the first one I made? You told me to make you a virtually indistinguishable-from-the-original duplicate so that you could sell your authentic Black Cat and keep my expert copy to hang on your wall. Kerry: Yeah... and that's what I did. But then, see, we had this earthquake and the poster fell off my wall and my dog ate it. So now I need you to make me another one. Jaime: Oh...well, OK then.... since it is only for your own personal use." -- JR Bruce Hershenson wrote: JR Obviously we are very wrong here. The restorer in question is not a perpetrator of any crime, he is actually a VICTIM. After all, he was just "following orders". How sad that people are now persecuting him. They should be showering him with sympathy (and apparently, restoration consignments) instead. Bruce On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:41 AM, James Richard <[email protected]> wrote: Steve, I'm simply echoing "Bruce's logic" as Franc called it: Given what Jamie now admits he did, if you send him a poster to work on how can you trust him not to do something he shouldn't with it? Like use it to make a near-perfect forgery that would go to someone else... or maybe send you back the forgery while your original stays with him or goes who knows where? His total disregard and disrespect for the community of movie poster collectors -- demonstrated his admitted part in this massive 2-year forgery scam -- clearly disqualifies him from any future position of trust in that community as far as I'm concerned. What, we should say, "Well, he's been caught and will pay (whatever) price the law lays on him for his part (not much, likely, since he is now a cooperating witness in the case against Haggard) -- so now he's learned his lesson, he's sorry (that he got caught), and will promise never ever to do something like that again... so everything's cool."? No, I might go for something like that if Jamie had been the one to first come forward and break the scandal instead of Grey Smith. Or if Jamie had gone to some of the people who were sold his forgeries and said "Hey, guys, I think I may have unknowingly been involved in something that was done to you." Or gone to Heritage, his biggest customer, and said "Um, Grey, I think I screwed up... here's what I did, but now I realize I was duped and shouldn't have done it and here's a list of the posters I forged." Or he could have simply stepped up to the plate like Diane Jefferies did in regards to the fake DRACULA poster when she publicly told her story on this list about how a client pressed her to do things to that poster which she had serious doubts about. Although she did it -- because that's what the paying client insisted on -- when she saw her work put up for auction under false pretenses, she quickly decided she needed to publicly tell this list what she knew about the situation and so was instrumental in bringing to light the true nature of that poster. But no. Jamie did none of those things. He just kept on cranking out the forgeries until the shit was about to hit the fan (or maybe until Kerry stopped paying him?). And when the scam was made public even then he lied, denying for months that he had anything to do with it. He's only admitting it now in order to cut himself a deal with the prosecutors. Sorry. Not someone I will ever send my posters to. Other individuals may be feel differently and can do what they wish of course, but I don't see how an operation like Heritage -- which takes extremely valuable posters from people on consignment (in trust) can run the risk of continuing to do business with him. As ever, just my humble opinion. -- JR Steven F. Poole wrote: Gosh.....That's a pretty strong statement, JR. To say that Jaime should never be trusted with posters again. Help me to understand your point here. Because of being a possibly unknowing accessory to this crime? Because he may send a dupe your way on returning work? Because he will always be suspect of making forgeries of any real posters one sends his way? Or just on general principle of being an admitted expert at reproducing the real deal by way of vintage posters? I'm not trying to be dense here. I just would like yourself or Bruce to go into more detailed reasons why you guys are holding these tough (but maybe valid) reasons. I have been a client of Jaime's in the past and I would appreciate any discussions on the topic. ~Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: James Richard To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] BIG News in Universal Horror Fraud Case No one is that naive. When Jamie was asked to create a duplicate of the same poster more than once -- a duplicate which would be virtually indistinguishable from the real poster -- there was no possibility he did not understand what he was being asked to do or fail to realize what Haggard would do with them. No doubt Jamie had what he considered good reasons for going along with scam. I'm sure Kerry has his own reasons, as well. Doesn't change the fact that Bruce is right: No one should ever send Jamie Mendez another poster now that there is no longer any doubt about what he did. There is no excuse for what he did and he can never be trusted with posters again. -- JR Franc wrote: Bruce --- I'm not taking sides in this one but your logic is flawed. A forgery is defined as "the process of making, adapting, or imitating objects with the intent to deceive." If Jaime Mendez's claim is actually true in that he didn't know that is was the intent of Kerry Haggard to sell these works as originals, then Jaime had no intent to deceive. Hence Jaime is not guilty of forging movie posters irrespective of the fact that it is his work that was ultimately used in Haggard's forgery. Franc -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] BIG News in Universal Horror Fraud Case I guess those who said that we have to give this restorer the "benefit of the doubt" will now accept that he is GUILTY of forging movie posters (whether or not he was "aware" of what purpose they would be used for), since he admits to it himself. Given this news, are there still people here who think they should send their posters to this person for restoration? How can you know that YOU won't receive a reproduction in return? And what of the many, many posters he restored for many dealers and auction houses over the past three years? Don't they all need to be checked over closely. I applaud this person for "doing the right thing", but I certainly would advise him to find a new line of work. Bruce On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Sean Linkenback <[email protected]> wrote: Sue is probably waiting until their regular newsletter to make an announcement, but there is BIG, HUGE, GIGANTIC news in the ongoing civil lawsuits (which will definitely affect the upcoming criminal suit) in the Haggard fake case. Jaime Mendez has entered a sworn affidavit in the Gresham v. Haggard case for the plaintiff and is testifying that he DID indeed make the fake posters on behalf of Kerry Haggard, but did not realize the true motives behind Haggard's request. There is also a partial list provided by Mendez of the posters he worked on. 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