What is it with me? Well I don't like being told to fuck off for one
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:02:20 -0400 From: [email protected] Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? To: [email protected] What exactly is the appropriate action, Andy? Banning? Censorship? And, once again, you have taken a private email and posted it to a public forum. What is it with you, Andy? Holiday Russell Begin forwarded message:From: Andy Neal <[email protected]> Date: March 22, 2010 8:49:31 AM EDT To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? Reply-To: Andy Neal <[email protected]> p.s - I hope Scott takes the appropiate action here. From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:48:41 +0000 I'm not disputing that, I was disputing it wasn't the only way to win. This is an intentional outing to show everyone how pathetic YOU are! > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:46:58 -0400 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > > You're a know-nothing ass. He won a gold bracelet at the World > Series of Poker. Shut the fuck up, moron. > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > ---- On , Andy Neal ([email protected]) wrote: > > Oh dear I've heard it all now, Well you were obviously never any > good at it if that's what you truely > think Bruce lol ;-) > > This kind of comment is exactly what I meant about egos. > > Anyway, not trying to start an argument, just an opinion as most > things are. > > Kind Regards > Andy Neal > > ________________________ > > On 2010-03-21 15:54:03 +0000 Bruce Hershenson wrote: > > > > > Andy > > > > I played poker for a living for 10 years, with no other > income, and I assure > > you I know far more on this subject than you do! > > > > Way way more money has been won cheating at poker than has > been won > > honestly, and many of the world's most famous poker players > were major > > cheats, starting with Nick the Greek. Someday I might write a > book on it. > > > > Bruce > > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Andy Neal wrote: > > > >> Hmmm interesting to hear lots of mention about poker, bad > analogy really > >> brucie, to win the most at poker or be excellent at poker you > have to know > >> probabilities and be able to work them out in a heartbeat and > you need to > >> understand what outs you have as your going along, also > bluffing and > >> knowing > >> when to bluff is adventageous. > >> > >> Just my opinion on the poker comment, the other stuff I > couldn't care less > >> about, mopo is getting FAR too egotistical these days, I > can't wait for the > >> recession to end. > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> ________________________ > >> > >> On 2010-03-21 13:07:01 +0000 Bruce Hershenson > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Thanks much David. You wrote an eloquent and spirited reply! > >>> > >>> Here's a further reply. I used to think great movie posters > were vastly > >>> undervalued, and I bought lots of them at then current > prices. As prices > >>> rose, many of them no longer seemed undervalued to me, and I > sold most of > >>> what I had bought, hanging onto my very favorites. Those > three "This Gun > >> For > >>> Hires" were $2500 each, so my assessment was good on that > example. > >>> > >>> Does a Metropolis insert seem undervalued to me at $47,000? > No, but there > >>> are likely many who feel otherwise, and I am happy they got > a bargain, > >> and I > >>> hope for their sake these kinds of posters go the way of > million dollar > >>> comics, which I am sorry to say feels totally insane to me, > a classic > >>> "bubble".. > >>> > >>> *WHY* I shifted my business model is the same reason i quit > playing > >> poker. > >>> To win the most at poker, you must find the absolute worst > players you > >> can, > >>> and cheaters are rewarded (and the house often looks the > other way on > >>> cheating, because the cheaters "take care" of those running > the game). I > >> was > >>> unwilling to continue playing on those terms, so I stopped > playing > >> entirely. > >>> > >>> When I first started high dollar auctions, I was "the only > game in town". > >> As > >>> many others came along, and when I slowly saw that the > majority of high > >>> dollar auctions were much like high stakes poker (you do the > best when > >> you > >>> find the absolute most uninformed buyers, and you use > "clever" tricks to > >> get > >>> them to pay more, as with the 2001 re-release half-sheet), > and cheaters > >> are > >>> rewarded (and I believe I have it made clear how this is) > and since I > >> knew I > >>> was not willing to compete for consignments or bidders on > those terms, I > >>> quit high dollar auctions and shifted to my present model. > >>> > >>> The result is that, in addition to my earning a living and > providing a > >>> living for 25 employees, I feel that most of my 31,000 > customers > >> certainly > >>> feel I have provided them with a very useful service, and I > bet all of > >> them > >>> would say I treated them in an open and honest way, unusual > for > >> collectible > >>> auctions. Most or all of my 500+ consignors would likely say > I provided > >> them > >>> with a useful and valuable service, just as David did. > >>> > >>> There *ARE *those who keep stretching to find bad things to > say about me, > >>> but oddly they neither buy from me or sell through me, and > many people > >> have > >>> privately guessed at their motivation, which seems painfully > obvious. > >>> > >>> I have nothing against high dollar auctions or high stakes > poker, when > >> they > >>> are 100% honestly run, and there is no deception involved. > If I felt I > >> could > >>> successfully run such an auction today, I would be willing > to try, but I > >>> doubt I could get enough consignments on those terms, and I > truly am > >> happier > >>> with my current business model. > >>> > >>> But as David said, I have "reinvented" myself several times > over the > >> years, > >>> and there is no saying I won't do so one more time! > >>> > >>> Bruce > >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, David Kusumoto > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> ** Speaking ONLY for myself, a contemplative confessional > from Bruce > >>>> about the shifts in his selling ideologies over the span of > 20 years > >> would > >>>> only matter to dealers who compete against Bruce -- and > would be of > >> little > >>>> interest to us collectors. It appears like an attempt to > catch him in a > >>>> contradiction when in fact we all undergo transformations > and re-tooling > >> to > >>>> ensure self-preservation. I've written thousands of words > about Bruce > >> and > >>>> his consignment model -- and each transformation or attempt > at > >>>> self-re-invention has been a success. The quantity vs. > quality question > >>>> seems a back-handed way of saying Bruce no longer sells > quality and only > >>>> sells mid-range-to-cruddy stuff at high volumes. This is > not true from > >>>> where I sit as a consumer. No, he might not have a > Frankenstein > >> one-sheet > >>>> come his way very soon -- nor would he care to go back to > the "showroom" > >>>> model with high overheads -- but he has sold things like > the "camel" > >>>> poster from "Lawrence of Arabia" for more than $11K during > the nadir of > >> the > >>>> recession, still a record for that title. There is no > venue or business > >>>> model he has not tried before settling into his current > model, hence to > >> me > >>>> he speaks with experience and some authority. Of course > he's not the > >>>> FINAL authority, but he's credible. Bruce's churning > methods and fast > >> pace > >>>> have conditioned thousands of collectors AND dealers > throughout this > >> small > >>>> hobby -- many who continue to both BUY and CONSIGN to him > -- to > >> reflexively > >>>> check his listings anyway, as regularly as one would brush > their teeth. > >>>> Any > >>>> collector or dealer who chooses to ignore his listings > makes a conscious > >>>> choice to pass up a potential bargain. > >>>> > >>>> ** The most important issue to most of us is still full > disclosure and > >>>> quality service -- and not questions about why competing > dealer "x" > >> thought > >>>> one way in 1990 and became "y" in 2000 and is now "z" in > 2010, e.g., > >> which > >>>> to me, as it pertains to Bruce -- is an efficiently run > factory > >> operation > >>>> moving a wide swath of material that's honestly graded for > thousands of > >>>> customers. If I ever want something akin to the Hope > Diamond, I can > >> always > >>>> consult the Greys, the Seans, the Todds, the Freemans and > the Walters > >> and > >>>> Kirbys and Sams, -- and even the Bruces, etc., etc., of the > world. > >> (Sorry > >>>> if I left anyone out, I've bought from most everyone so > it's hard to > >>>> remember.) If I was a dealer, I wouldn't be surprised if > all of the > >>>> aforementioned names -- have shifted their ideologies about > poster > >> selling > >>>> in conjunction with the universal acceptance of the > Internet, and have > >>>> subsequently found their niches or comfort zones -- and > adjusted > >>>> accordingly. Some of us still know where to go for certain > things. -d. > >>>> > >>>> ===================== > >>>> From: Sean Linkenback > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > >>>> Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:22:52 -0700 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bruce, > >>>> Could you share the story with us that led to your decision > to change > >>>> directions as it were in your poster selling philosophy? > >>>> > >>>> Certainly in the early days of your business you > concentrated on > >> catering > >>>> to "investors" and/or "advanced collectors". Yes, you > published your > >> sales > >>>> list, but your convention appearances and focus of course > was on quality > >>>> over quantity and in getting those high-dollar pieces for > the early > >>>> Christie's auctions and working to attract high-end > collectors. I even > >>>> remember reading a profile on poster investing with you in > a Delta > >> Skymiles > >>>> Magazine, and you related a story where you met with Jose > and wanted to > >> buy > >>>> all 3 copies of the one-sheet he had on "This Gun For > Hire". > >>>> > >>>> What happened that made you do a change and decide to focus > on quantity > >>>> instead? > >>>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > How > >> to > >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message > addressed to: > >>>> [email protected] In the BODY of your message > type: > >> SIGNOFF > >>>> MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for > its content. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > www.filmfan.com > >>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > >>> > >>> Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] > >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > >>> > >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its > content. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > www.filmfan.com > >> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > >> > >> Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] > >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > >> > >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its > content. > >> > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its > content. > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com___________________________________________________________________How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing ListSend a message addressed to: [email protected] the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-LThe author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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