Ok, Andy. Whatever you say. You're right. I'm wrong. I'm not going to hijack MOPO over this.
Holiday On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Andy Neal wrote: > It isn't revenge Holiday, I would sooner members see what people really are. > > You arn't to do anything if you don't want to, i'm not sure what you could > do, but if scott decides he doesn't want mopo members privately messaging > other members who have been a member for 5 years to be told to fuck off and > being called a moron then he can, if he doesn't that's his decision, at least > he has a choice. > > It's funny how suddenly after you have set up your new forum that censorship > is a big problem, when you were a member of mine for a long time and was > never a problem, please don't be so transparent Holiday. I do or at least did > think you were a bit more sensible than that. > > This isn't the same as what happened with Thierry, Thierry was underhanding > to privately message my members saying everyone hates the forum. I'm really > suprised you are dragging this up again as it was totally unacceptable in my > eyes and i just another reason not to take you seriously. > > RE: censorship - I get more emails for censorship and having a clean forum > than againt it. Some members will only view and post MPF for that reason > alone.But your entitled to your opinion obviosuly, In my eyes it's a point of > view from a minority of people on the grand scheme of things. > > You have also contradicted your beliefs in sending this to mopo when you > could have message just me, so are you just as bad as me in your own views > and eyes? Hmmmm One rule for you and one for another? "Your a drama queen > Holiday" (A quote from MPF recently) I'm beggining to think that's very true. > > I did have respect for you Holiday, but the way you have acted recently, with > saying you don't like me and jumping on the bandwagon (When you have never > met me) is just laughable and all respect has been lost I'm affraid. > > Andy > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:11:44 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > To: [email protected] > > So, you take you're revenge by posting a private email to a public forum? > What are we to do, play judge and jury because you're feelings got hurt, and > rightfully so? Once again you talked about stuff that you did not know > about, and you got smacked down. Why not just say "ah, sorry for the > mistake" rather than try to defend a defenseless position. > > Is Scott supposed to take some action against one who sent you a private > email? > > This is the same crap you pulled against my friend Thierry. Since you > brought this before the Mopo community, I hope the community realizes that > you are immature to the extent that you take private correspondence and make > it public just to balm your hurt feelings, Andy. > > Given that it seems you tend to step in the shit every time you talk, why not > consider taking the advice given in the private email? > > Holiday > > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Andy Neal wrote: > > What is it with me? > > Well I don't like being told to fuck off for one > > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:02:20 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > To: [email protected] > > What exactly is the appropriate action, Andy? Banning? Censorship? > > And, once again, you have taken a private email and posted it to a public > forum. > > What is it with you, Andy? > > Holiday Russell > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Andy Neal <[email protected]> > Date: March 22, 2010 8:49:31 AM EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > Reply-To: Andy Neal <[email protected]> > > p.s - I hope Scott takes the appropiate action here. > > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:48:41 +0000 > > I'm not disputing that, I was disputing it wasn't the only way to win. > > This is an intentional outing to show everyone how pathetic YOU are! > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:46:58 -0400 > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > > > > You're a know-nothing ass. He won a gold bracelet at the World > > Series of Poker. Shut the fuck up, moron. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Get your own "800" number > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > > > ---- On , Andy Neal ([email protected]) wrote: > > > > Oh dear I've heard it all now, Well you were obviously never any > > good at it if that's what you truely > > think Bruce lol ;-) > > > > This kind of comment is exactly what I meant about egos. > > > > Anyway, not trying to start an argument, just an opinion as most > > things are. > > > > Kind Regards > > Andy Neal > > > > ________________________ > > > > On 2010-03-21 15:54:03 +0000 Bruce Hershenson wrote: > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > I played poker for a living for 10 years, with no other > > income, and I assure > > > you I know far more on this subject than you do! > > > > > > Way way more money has been won cheating at poker than has > > been won > > > honestly, and many of the world's most famous poker players > > were major > > > cheats, starting with Nick the Greek. Someday I might write a > > book on it. > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Andy Neal wrote: > > > > > >> Hmmm interesting to hear lots of mention about poker, bad > > analogy really > > >> brucie, to win the most at poker or be excellent at poker you > > have to know > > >> probabilities and be able to work them out in a heartbeat and > > you need to > > >> understand what outs you have as your going along, also > > bluffing and > > >> knowing > > >> when to bluff is adventageous. > > >> > > >> Just my opinion on the poker comment, the other stuff I > > couldn't care less > > >> about, mopo is getting FAR too egotistical these days, I > > can't wait for the > > >> recession to end. > > >> > > >> Andy > > >> > > >> ________________________ > > >> > > >> On 2010-03-21 13:07:01 +0000 Bruce Hershenson > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Thanks much David. You wrote an eloquent and spirited reply! > > >>> > > >>> Here's a further reply. I used to think great movie posters > > were vastly > > >>> undervalued, and I bought lots of them at then current > > prices. As prices > > >>> rose, many of them no longer seemed undervalued to me, and I > > sold most of > > >>> what I had bought, hanging onto my very favorites. Those > > three "This Gun > > >> For > > >>> Hires" were $2500 each, so my assessment was good on that > > example. > > >>> > > >>> Does a Metropolis insert seem undervalued to me at $47,000? > > No, but there > > >>> are likely many who feel otherwise, and I am happy they got > > a bargain, > > >> and I > > >>> hope for their sake these kinds of posters go the way of > > million dollar > > >>> comics, which I am sorry to say feels totally insane to me, > > a classic > > >>> "bubble".. > > >>> > > >>> *WHY* I shifted my business model is the same reason i quit > > playing > > >> poker. > > >>> To win the most at poker, you must find the absolute worst > > players you > > >> can, > > >>> and cheaters are rewarded (and the house often looks the > > other way on > > >>> cheating, because the cheaters "take care" of those running > > the game). I > > >> was > > >>> unwilling to continue playing on those terms, so I stopped > > playing > > >> entirely. > > >>> > > >>> When I first started high dollar auctions, I was "the only > > game in town". > > >> As > > >>> many others came along, and when I slowly saw that the > > majority of high > > >>> dollar auctions were much like high stakes poker (you do the > > best when > > >> you > > >>> find the absolute most uninformed buyers, and you use > > "clever" tricks to > > >> get > > >>> them to pay more, as with the 2001 re-release half-sheet), > > and cheaters > > >> are > > >>> rewarded (and I believe I have it made clear how this is) > > and since I > > >> knew I > > >>> was not willing to compete for consignments or bidders on > > those terms, I > > >>> quit high dollar auctions and shifted to my present model. > > >>> > > >>> The result is that, in addition to my earning a living and > > providing a > > >>> living for 25 employees, I feel that most of my 31,000 > > customers > > >> certainly > > >>> feel I have provided them with a very useful service, and I > > bet all of > > >> them > > >>> would say I treated them in an open and honest way, unusual > > for > > >> collectible > > >>> auctions. Most or all of my 500+ consignors would likely say > > I provided > > >> them > > >>> with a useful and valuable service, just as David did. > > >>> > > >>> There *ARE *those who keep stretching to find bad things to > > say about me, > > >>> but oddly they neither buy from me or sell through me, and > > many people > > >> have > > >>> privately guessed at their motivation, which seems painfully > > obvious. > > >>> > > >>> I have nothing against high dollar auctions or high stakes > > poker, when > > >> they > > >>> are 100% honestly run, and there is no deception involved. > > If I felt I > > >> could > > >>> successfully run such an auction today, I would be willing > > to try, but I > > >>> doubt I could get enough consignments on those terms, and I > > truly am > > >> happier > > >>> with my current business model. > > >>> > > >>> But as David said, I have "reinvented" myself several times > > over the > > >> years, > > >>> and there is no saying I won't do so one more time! > > >>> > > >>> Bruce > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, David Kusumoto > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> ** Speaking ONLY for myself, a contemplative confessional > > from Bruce > > >>>> about the shifts in his selling ideologies over the span of > > 20 years > > >> would > > >>>> only matter to dealers who compete against Bruce -- and > > would be of > > >> little > > >>>> interest to us collectors. It appears like an attempt to > > catch him in a > > >>>> contradiction when in fact we all undergo transformations > > and re-tooling > > >> to > > >>>> ensure self-preservation. I've written thousands of words > > about Bruce > > >> and > > >>>> his consignment model -- and each transformation or attempt > > at > > >>>> self-re-invention has been a success. The quantity vs. > > quality question > > >>>> seems a back-handed way of saying Bruce no longer sells > > quality and only > > >>>> sells mid-range-to-cruddy stuff at high volumes. This is > > not true from > > >>>> where I sit as a consumer. No, he might not have a > > Frankenstein > > >> one-sheet > > >>>> come his way very soon -- nor would he care to go back to > > the "showroom" > > >>>> model with high overheads -- but he has sold things like > > the "camel" > > >>>> poster from "Lawrence of Arabia" for more than $11K during > > the nadir of > > >> the > > >>>> recession, still a record for that title. There is no > > venue or business > > >>>> model he has not tried before settling into his current > > model, hence to > > >> me > > >>>> he speaks with experience and some authority. Of course > > he's not the > > >>>> FINAL authority, but he's credible. Bruce's churning > > methods and fast > > >> pace > > >>>> have conditioned thousands of collectors AND dealers > > throughout this > > >> small > > >>>> hobby -- many who continue to both BUY and CONSIGN to him > > -- to > > >> reflexively > > >>>> check his listings anyway, as regularly as one would brush > > their teeth. > > >>>> Any > > >>>> collector or dealer who chooses to ignore his listings > > makes a conscious > > >>>> choice to pass up a potential bargain. > > >>>> > > >>>> ** The most important issue to most of us is still full > > disclosure and > > >>>> quality service -- and not questions about why competing > > dealer "x" > > >> thought > > >>>> one way in 1990 and became "y" in 2000 and is now "z" in > > 2010, e.g., > > >> which > > >>>> to me, as it pertains to Bruce -- is an efficiently run > > factory > > >> operation > > >>>> moving a wide swath of material that's honestly graded for > > thousands of > > >>>> customers. If I ever want something akin to the Hope > > Diamond, I can > > >> always > > >>>> consult the Greys, the Seans, the Todds, the Freemans and > > the Walters > > >> and > > >>>> Kirbys and Sams, -- and even the Bruces, etc., etc., of the > > world. > > >> (Sorry > > >>>> if I left anyone out, I've bought from most everyone so > > it's hard to > > >>>> remember.) If I was a dealer, I wouldn't be surprised if > > all of the > > >>>> aforementioned names -- have shifted their ideologies about > > poster > > >> selling > > >>>> in conjunction with the universal acceptance of the > > Internet, and have > > >>>> subsequently found their niches or comfort zones -- and > > adjusted > > >>>> accordingly. Some of us still know where to go for certain > > things. -d. > > >>>> > > >>>> ===================== > > >>>> From: Sean Linkenback > > >>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>> > > >>>> Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > > >>>> Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:22:52 -0700 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Bruce, > > >>>> Could you share the story with us that led to your decision > > to change > > >>>> directions as it were in your poster selling philosophy? > > >>>> > > >>>> Certainly in the early days of your business you > > concentrated on > > >> catering > > >>>> to "investors" and/or "advanced collectors". Yes, you > > published your > > >> sales > > >>>> list, but your convention appearances and focus of course > > was on quality > > >>>> over quantity and in getting those high-dollar pieces for > > the early > > >>>> Christie's auctions and working to attract high-end > > collectors. I even > > >>>> remember reading a profile on poster investing with you in > > a Delta > > >> Skymiles > > >>>> Magazine, and you related a story where you met with Jose > > and wanted to > > >> buy > > >>>> all 3 copies of the one-sheet he had on "This Gun For > > Hire". > > >>>> > > >>>> What happened that made you do a change and decide to focus > > on quantity > > >>>> instead? > > >>>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > >>>> > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How > > >> to > > >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message > > addressed to: > > >>>> [email protected] In the BODY of your message > > type: > > >> SIGNOFF > > >>>> MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for > > its content. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > > www.filmfan.com > > >>> > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > >>> > > >>> Send a message addressed to: > > [email protected] > > >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > >>> > > >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its > > content. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > > www.filmfan.com > > >> > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > >> > > >> Send a message addressed to: > > [email protected] > > >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > >> > > >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its > > content. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: > > [email protected] > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its > > content. > > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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