Right OK fair enough, I did think that Scott said it was OK to post off topic as long as you put OT in the subject, I also tried to calm the situation down in an email yesterday but that didn't seem to go down too well, I'm honestly not trying to be contraversial, apologies if it seems that was, I'll make a conscious effort in future not to make it seem that way.
From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [MOPO] Time to Update the FAQ...and more Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:26:23 -0400 Off topic posts you and a few others seem to grasp at ant straw to keep things off topic and controversial. Like you really need to get the last word. That’s fine I know what the delete button is for, I’ll go back to lurking now. Check out our shop video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7E&feature=related jim episale Unshredded Nostalgia 323 South main St. Route 9 Barnegat, N.J. 08005 800-872-9990 609-660-2626 http://www.unshreddednostalgia.com "Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional." From: Andy Neal [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:08 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [MOPO] Time to Update the FAQ...and more Hi Jim, Would you care to expand? Offender of what exactly? Kind Regards Andy Neal » www.movieposterforum.com From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [MOPO] Time to Update the FAQ...and more Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:04:28 -0400 Andy IMHO you seem to be BY FAR the worst offender jim Check out our shop video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7E&feature=related jim episale Unshredded Nostalgia 323 South main St. Route 9 Barnegat, N.J. 08005 800-872-9990 609-660-2626 http://www.unshreddednostalgia.com "Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional." From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy Neal Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Time to Update the FAQ...and more Hi Scott, Just touching on the C word - "Censorship" I certainly wouldn't want yours or anyone else skin crawl that's for sure. So would like to clear something up. Censorship was a word that was branded upon me which I kind of inherited and maybe If I had cared so much at the time, I might have thought a little more about the word. If were talking China Google kind of censorship then No of course I don't do that, If were talking low level censorship such as blocking expletives then yes I do censor but I would much prefer to call it moderating, as this is the convential name used on forums. Censorship comes in many different levels. But the real deffinition is... Censorship is to "examine and expurgate" Expurgate is to "remove erroneous, vulgar, obscene, or otherwise objectionable material from (a book, for example) before publication" I certainly don't examine but do expurgate By singling me and Bruce out, you have censored by examining. Also you didn't put OT on your own off topic email:-s My point is maybe we all, including myself shouldn't be too analytical and we should get over ourselves (as quoted by someone yesterday) and get on with what is important MOVIE POSTERS Kind Regards Andy Neal Hi, Kind Regards Andy Neal » www.movieposterforum.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:16:44 -0400 From: [email protected] Subject: [MOPO] Time to Update the FAQ...and more To: [email protected] Well I guess I need to update the MoPo FAQ....my words are coming back to haunt me. Some time ago I decided to allow MoPo to breathe a little by permitting off-topic posts. I thought it would make the group a little more human. I think it makes getting to know a fellow cyber-collector much easier when you can share a little off-topic info now and then and makes a discussion board become more like a group of friends who happen to share a common interest. No matter what direction MoPo takes there's always someone ready to criticize. Like politics, it's a no-win situation. Stay strictly on-topic and the list is accused of being boring. Go off-topic and people complain about their inboxes filling up. (Easy solution? Use the DIGEST version and get all the posts in a single e-mail). The text from the FAQ that JR has so helpfully posted sounds harsh because it was posted at a time when the list was in turmoil and in danger of being destroyed. I don't want to relive the details, but there had to be a set way of dealing with the bizarre shenanigans and putting "rules" into the FAQ gave me something to use if I needed to. MoPo survived, but the threatening tone of that section of the FAQ remains. I guess the on/off topic debate will forever plague MoPo. But as list owner I have the final say and this week the wind is blowing more towards allowing reasonable off-topic discussions--but please put OT in the subject line. You may ask what "reasonable" is....well that's up to me. Sorry, perk of being listowner. More thoughts: One really troubling thing I read this week was posted by fellow discussion group operator Andy. He wrote, (in reply to Holiday): "RE: censorship - I get more emails for censorship and having a clean forum than againt it. Some members will only view and post MPF for that reason alone.But your entitled to your opinion obviously, In my eyes it's a point of view from a minority of people on the grand scheme of things." THAT'S SCARY. One thing I will NEVER be is FOR censorship. Makes my skin crawl. Another troubling thing was written by Bruce H: "...I am so happy there is a "new breed" of poster collector that you mostly find on allposterforum.com and not very much here. Many of these collectors have hundreds or thousands of posters from the past 30 years. They LOVE their collections, and they are buying their OWN memories, not what other people tell them should be worth collecting." People on MoPo don't LOVE their collections? Bruce I think you're taking a cheap shot here and being unfair to most people on MoPo. There are (and always have been) some rather vocal/caustic/outspoken/pompous/rude/selfish/greedy/sneaky/backstabbing people in this hobby. Thankfully they aren't the majority. But like a hungry mosquito, even one can make your life miserable. Whether its on an internet discussion group on in the real world it doesn't matter. Give All Poster Forum time. I've yet to see ANY internet discussion group avoid drama. It comes to all. Sorry Holiday, your time will sadly come. Just ask Andy, Ari, Jon Warren, and Donnie of the old Style-B....and everyone else who has ever run an on-line forum. Just a few cents from your usually-quiet listowner. Scott From: MoPo List On Behalf Of James Richard Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] everybody back on topic, please! Andy, Yeah, it's nice to be easy going about the on-topic rule -- the problem is it doesn't stop with the "occasional" off-topic message. First, the message will often stand a thread of off-topic replies. Worse, somebody on sees an off-topic thread thread going on and so decides, since they have nothing to write on-topic at the moment, to toss out another "interesting" off-topic tidbit... thats starts another thread, etc. At some point somebody makes a crack about somebody else in one of the 3 or 4 or 10 off-topic threads going on and a feud breaks out... ...the next thing you know, I've got 50 emails a day coming into my inbox from MOPO which have nothing to do with posters, films, collecting or auctioning them. Already your art-from-grain-of-sand post has spawned 3 off-topic replies in the first 38 minutes. I am reminding everybody that it is rule of this list and that everybody needs get back on topic and stay that way -- at least for while since the off-topic stuff has got so far out of hand of late. Too many people are considering leaving MOPO because of all the static, myself among them. Look, there are literally a *billion* other places on the internet to discuss Dinosaur Dung and all these other supposedly fascinating things floating around on the internet -- but MOPO ain't supposed to be one of them. The list owner, Scott Burns, has been very clear about this over the years. Once again, from the end of section 1.2 of his MopoFAQ on www.Filmfan.com: "There are 2 VERY important rules concerning posts made to the MoPo List: 1) Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. This includes name-calling, innuendo, insults or gossip. 2) Off-topic posts are not permitted. There are ample places on the Internet to discuss politics, religion, sex or any other issue. Posts to MoPo should be related to movies, movie memorabilia, and the people who collect it. Persons who disregard these rules will be removed from list membership immediately and without notice. However on the first infraction, individuals will be permitted to resubscribe if they wish to rejoin the group and agree to abide by the posting rules. Upon a second infraction, removal from the list membership will be permanent. Determination of a rule violation and subsequent removal from the mailing list is the sole responsibility of the MoPo List Owner." -- JR Andy Neal wrote: Agreed! JR does raise some very good points which I will certainly take onboard. I do think we should have some off topic conversations though if it doesn't involve bickering, for example... 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