Re: [MOPO] Hell's Angels lobby 30 or 37 ? - Interesting Update

[Kevin Conway]

I just got this information from the seller.  He makes an interesting point about whether the studios would have created a new plate for the 1937 release just to "rotate the plane". "By all means examine the card closely, but there is no possibility of the borders ever having been replaced, The paper is clean and uniform, not trimmed, restored or modified, I've had it under black light but it's clear to the naked eye. As I mentioned, I've had this card and the 1937 version in my collection at the same time. Aside from the "Country of Origin U,S,A," vs. "Copyright 1937 etc etc etc" difference, the paper is different, inks and colors brighter, register of the image sharper. The expert consensus I arrived at years ago, after the major auction house from which I got the card had already certified and sold it as original, is that there was an alternate design used little, if at all, in 1930. This is not the only original card with diagonal artwork that I've ever seen, but I've been collecting for 40 years and seen maybe two others. If, as we know, they reused the same plates from the original set to produce the 1937 set, and we know that the film wasn't rereleased at any other time in the '30's, there would be no reason to incur the added expense of changing the design to simply rotate the plane artwork for reissue cards. But a diagonal plane version already having been created in 1930, then revived to strike the 1937 set, makes sense. "     -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Hershenson Sent: Apr 24, 2010 5:17 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Hell's Angels lobby 30 or 37 ? If Grey is correct (and it certainly is possible he is), then I have been sold cards so expertly altered that I was fooled (and even before Mendez, there were other unscrupulous restorers who did such criminal alterations). I will do as I always do in these situations and look back over the images of EVERY Hell's Angels card we EVER sold and examine them, and if we find any suspicious ones, we will e-mail the buyers of those cards and offer them a refund or price adjustment, even if its been ten or twenty years. There's no "buyer beware" at eMoviePoster.com. Bruce On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 <gre...@ha.com> wrote: I believe Heritage has sold more of these cards than anyone and I have never seen an original card with the plane artwork at an angle nor have I ever seen a 1937 reissue card with the plane artwork vertical! All of the cards I have dealt with over the past twenty plus years on this title have the original cards having the artwork in the vertical attitude with the only info in the borders in the lower right saying, "Country of Origin, U.S.A." The 1937 reissue cards are always dated in the lower right with the plane at an angle and a United Artist blurb at the lower left explaining that the advertising material is the property of UA. They used the exact same photos for each release on both sets. I would be interested to see cards that prove otherwise as would be a new one on me. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/search_results.php?N=54+790+231+&Ne=&D=hell%27s+angels+lobby&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchall&Ns=&Nf=&Nty=1&Ntt=hell%27s+angels+lobby&Ntk=SI_Titles -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Rosen Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:48 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Hell's Angels lobby 30 or 37 ? It's a '37 re-release. Bruce has sold a few: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/291395.html http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/124921.html http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/134876.html Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Conway" <treasur...@earthlink.net> To: <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: [MOPO] Hell's Angels lobby 30 or 37 ? > This lobby looks like the 1930 release , i.e. has no copyright info on > bottom border and like the 30 just says "Country of Origin USA" on bottom > lower right. Also, the colors are more consistent with the 1930 release. > HOWEVER, the plane art is at a 320% angle instead of upright like other > 1930 versions I've seen.   Any thoughts? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300418234411 > > > > Kevin Conway > Conway's Vintage Treasures > www.CVTreasures.com > >         Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >   ___________________________________________________________________ >              How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > >       Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >            In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > >    The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >         Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com   ___________________________________________________________________              How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List       Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu            In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L    The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.         Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com   ___________________________________________________________________              How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List       Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu            In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L    The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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