Sean, who's trying to be a lawyer knows ALL THE FACTS. Yeah, right.
Just like he knew all the facts with the Debi Jacobson/Gresham/Kerry
fiasco. Mr. Knowitall kept putting out false information and lies
until he was finally silenced and showed completely wrong by Freeman,
and it proved again that he was talking out his arse, as Ari would say.
Ok Sean. Tell us what charges are still pending against Jaime or are
you telling us the charges haven't been dropped?
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:38:01 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
Todd was flat out incorrect when he made this quote: "Charges against
Jaime were dropped by the court as there was no evidence to bring a
case against him."
That is not what happened at all, and I believe he knows it.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dale Dilts <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
Jaime got a pass through legal system plain and simple. Its like
saying, I was creating fake hundred dollar bills to see how good I
could get them, but honestly judge, I never intended them to be
used for real currency.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, would spend the time and effort it took
to create these unless there is something to be gained in their
bank account somewhere. Anyone that is supporting Jaime as having
one pulled over on him is putting the shades on themselves plain
and simple.
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*From:* MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
Of *Sean Linkenback
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:02 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
While Kerry may have been the mastermind, the "creator" - as in
the actual creator of the fakes is/was Jaime.
The gun analogy is a poor one, as I agree that there is nothing
inherently wrong with asking someone to make a fake (suspicious -
yes, wrong - no), but once Jaime found out that the fakes were in
the marketplace and being marketed as originals, he had a
responsibility to not only inform the people who had sent him
fakes for inspection/further work that they were fakes, but a
moral obligation of declining to produce further copies.
Yet he did neither of these things and continued to make them
until the fraud became public knowledge.
So maybe a better analogy is: if you were 100% certain that a
person you sold a gun to last week committed murder with that gun,
and that they also committed murder with a gun you sold them two
weeks ago, would you sell them another gun when they came into
your store this week and asked for one?
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Todd Feiertag <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:01 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
/*Virtually everyone in the hobby was fooled...*/
*//*
Jim,
*I WASN'T FOOLED!!*
And there were a lot of other knowledgeable collectors who
weren't fooled either. Again, you don't know what you're
talking about.
If John was so concerned and wanted to "help the industry" so
much, he shouldn't have charged $175. plus, to authenticate
each item. I guess you also think Carol Tincup was another
person who was trying to "help the industry" when she charged
you $350. an item.
Jim, there were many collectors who sent me posters and lobby
cards to authenticate. Do you know how much I charged
them?? $00.00, ZERO, NADDA, NOTHING. Now, you tell me, who's
really trying to "help the industry" or help out collectors,
John and Carol??
/*Yet, you still support the creator of this entire mess. */
*//*
I know you're referring to Jaime but the creator of this mess
was your good buddy Kerry and Kerry alone.
Charges against Jaime were dropped by the court as there was
no evidence to bring a case against him.
Again, I'll give you this analogy...
If I own a gun shop and sell someone a gun and they go out and
kill 10 people, is the gun shop owner liable?? NO. Is the
gun manufacturer liable?? NO.
Guess who's liable?? The guy who decided to break the law and
kill 10 people, that's who's responsible, not the gun shop
owner and not the gun manufacturer.
How come you didn't bring a lawsuit against Anthony in New
York?? After all, Anthony is the one who actually did the
printing. I haven't seen you mention anything about him?? If
Jaime is responsible, Anthony should also be just as
responsible.
Jim, as much as you'd like the gun shop owner to be
responsible for the deaths of those 10 people, he's not the one.
Differences aside...I feel real bad for you Jim, since your
loss in this situation is by far the biggest and far worse
than anybody elses and honestly, I hope that you eventually
get every penny back. I can also understand your frustration
and how stressful this has been on you and your family losing
so much money and I can also understand you want anyone that
had anything to do with this held accountable and I don't
blame you one bit. I just hope that this gets resolved and
resolved to your benefit 100%.
Todd
/**/
**/
/
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:25:11 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
Todd what you aren't saying is that he repaired that Dracula
Window card prior to this fake problem surfacing. No one
suspected anything. All approaches changed when it was
discovered the hobby had a bad problem. Virtually everyone in
the hobby was fooled, not just John. And when awareness of
the problem surfaced, John and others then took a different
look at things. Yet, you still support the creator of this
entire mess. It seems pretty ironic that on one hand you
support the 100% creator of fakes, but hammer on the guy
trying to help this industry.
Jim Gresham
18501 Henry Ct.
Ray, Mi 48096
586 677-7669
Go to www.childrenofthenightbook.com
<http://www.childrenofthenightbook.com/>
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:17:47 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
Not only did John Davis at Poster Mountain say a FAKE Dracula
Window Card was real after he re-restored it, he also swore a
Dracula REPRINT One Sheet was also real.
Those are two examples most people know about. Curious to
know how many other FAKES he also swore were real.
On the other hand, since he is obviously no expert, I'm
curious to know how many REAL posters and lobby cards he swore
as being FAKE??
Just because someone restores posters, doesn't make them an
expert in authenticating them.
In addition, just because someone has handled a lot of
posters, doesn't make them an expert either.
Todd Feiertag
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:06:24 +0100
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
It is indeed interesting.
And if they have the right skills and knowledge it could have
helped if they started two years.
But, I still can't get over that someone seemingly had
everything at their disposal and still missed one fake in
particular.
Correct me if this is account is inaccurate, but if you strip
the false front from a Window Card back, to improve and
replace the back, and you've years of experience of handling
paper, how can you miss it?
I'm not hinting anything untoward, I just still can't
understand it.
And if they couldn't spot that one, what level of skills and
knowledge are required for us to rely on anyone to prevent any
possible next generation?
Cheers,
Richard
On 26 May 2010, at 21:46, Sean Linkenback wrote:
For a long time now, 3rd party grading has been rumored to
be "just around the corner", "coming soon" and sometimes
"never will happen".
Well that day is finally upon us for better or worse
(though I can't help but wonder if it had been here even
two years ago would collectors have saved literally
millions of dollars and maybe the "Universal Horror Fakes"
fiasco might have been over as soon as it started.)
CGC (Certified Grading Company - the people who have been
grading comics for over a decade) has recently begun
limited certification of lobby cards to test the market
and the first examples will be offered at the upcoming
Heritage Signature Auction in July.
Although no photos are on Heritage's site yet, there are
two listings for complete lobby sets (Let It Be, and All
The King's Men) that have been CGC graded/certified.
It will be very interesting to see how these are accepted
in the marketplace.
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