Jim,
Ok, remember you are the one who brought this up in public, not me. You're
right, I don't know all the detailed facts in this matter, but I've known Jaime
for over 15 years and have never caught him in a lie. Unfortunately, I can't
say the same thing about other people, on numerous occasions.
I don't have a lot of free time and when I talk to Jaime it's usually about
business and I haven't talked to him in too much detail about the fake
situation, but yes, the little he has told me, I believe him and again, I've
never caught him in a lie and until I do, his word is good with me. As much as
you'd like me to be the spokesperson for Jaime, sorry, but I'm not.
Without Jaimes involvement, Haggard couldn't have done what he "allegedly"
did.
Why stop there? Without Anthony's involvement, Jaime couldn't have made the
fakes and Haggard couldn't have done what he "allegedly" did. Without the
manufacturers of those high resolution scanners, those high resolution scans
couldn't have been made and then the copies couldn't have been made and then
Jaime couldn't have made the fakes and then Kerry couldn't have "allegedly"
sold and traded them. Without the inkjet manufacturers, the copies couldn't
have been made. You could go on and on. You really could blame a lot of
people besides Jaime and Kerry and as harsh as this sounds, to some degree you
might want to take a look at yourself, but shouldn't you really be focusing on
Kerry and getting your money back?
Debi paid me back!
Yes, I'm glad and that the two of you have resolved everything, but as Debi
herself posted tonight, that doesn't mean that Sean was right. Yes, I guess
you missed Freeman's excellent post explaining all the details and since
Freeman isn't a lawyer, I believe Freeman 100%. That's a joke, son. A joke.
LOL! Seriously, I do believe Freeman and Freeman is as honest as they come.
Jim, I'm attacking everyone? Who am I attacking, just because I believe the
little Jaime has told me? Looks like you're the one on the attack and I guess
I can't blame you as I don't think anyone wants to be in your shoes. I'm
stating the facts as I know them and believe me, I want you to come out on top
of this and get all your money back. So, as you said, let this thing take it's
course.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:27:07 -0400
Todd why are you acting as if you are in the know? The only person you support
is Jaime based upon your conversation with Jaime. And, I have to ask myself
why? Why are you supporting the very guy who made the fakes? Without Jaimes
involvement, Haggard couldnt have done what he "allegedly" did.
Sean, is right. And, he was 100% correct about Debi too. Debi paid me back!
That was Seans's point. Now I dont want to reopen old wounds as Debi & I have
made our peace. But Sean knew the facts and was correct. Freeman shut down
Sean? Heck, I must have missed that. I never understood what he was saying.
Again, Sean was proved correct by the results that occured. And, he is correct
again in what he said. Todd please there are things that cant be said yet.
But, honestly you dont know! Concerning the current situation, Sean is in the
know. He has spoken to the authorities and he knows what he is talking about.
And this Dilts guy, I dont know you but I hope you are coming to Columbus
because I want to meet you!
So, what good are you doing attacking everyone? Lets let this thing take its
course. But, why anyone, and I mean anyone would support Jaime is beyond me.
And I am not just addressing that to Todd.
Jim Gresham
18501 Henry Ct.
Ray, Mi 48096
586 677-7669
Go to www.childrenofthenightbook.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:08:46 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
Yes, another MoPo member talking out his arse.
You obviously don't know Kerry and how convincing he could be. He perfected it
to an art. Jim, more than anyone else should know this.
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:12:45 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
Jaime got a pass through legal system plain and simple. Its like saying, I was
creating fake hundred dollar bills to see how good I could get them, but
honestly judge, I never intended them to be used for real currency.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, would spend the time and effort it took to create
these unless there is something to be gained in their bank account somewhere.
Anyone that is supporting Jaime as having one pulled over on him is putting the
shades on themselves plain and simple.
From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean
Linkenback
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
While Kerry may have been the mastermind, the "creator" - as in the actual
creator of the fakes is/was Jaime.
The gun analogy is a poor one, as I agree that there is nothing inherently
wrong with asking someone to make a fake (suspicious - yes, wrong - no), but
once Jaime found out that the fakes were in the marketplace and being marketed
as originals, he had a responsibility to not only inform the people who had
sent him fakes for inspection/further work that they were fakes, but a moral
obligation of declining to produce further copies.
Yet he did neither of these things and continued to make them until the fraud
became public knowledge.
So maybe a better analogy is: if you were 100% certain that a person you sold
a gun to last week committed murder with that gun, and that they also committed
murder with a gun you sold them two weeks ago, would you sell them another gun
when they came into your store this week and asked for one?
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Feiertag
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
Virtually everyone in the hobby was fooled...
Jim,
I WASN'T FOOLED!!
And there were a lot of other knowledgeable collectors who weren't fooled
either. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
If John was so concerned and wanted to "help the industry" so much, he
shouldn't have charged $175. plus, to authenticate each item. I guess you also
think Carol Tincup was another person who was trying to "help the industry"
when she charged you $350. an item.
Jim, there were many collectors who sent me posters and lobby cards to
authenticate. Do you know how much I charged them?? $00.00, ZERO, NADDA,
NOTHING. Now, you tell me, who's really trying to "help the industry" or help
out collectors, John and Carol??
Yet, you still support the creator of this entire mess.
I know you're referring to Jaime but the creator of this mess was your good
buddy Kerry and Kerry alone.
Charges against Jaime were dropped by the court as there was no evidence to
bring a case against him.
Again, I'll give you this analogy...
If I own a gun shop and sell someone a gun and they go out and kill 10 people,
is the gun shop owner liable?? NO. Is the gun manufacturer liable?? NO.
Guess who's liable?? The guy who decided to break the law and kill 10 people,
that's who's responsible, not the gun shop owner and not the gun manufacturer.
How come you didn't bring a lawsuit against Anthony in New York?? After all,
Anthony is the one who actually did the printing. I haven't seen you mention
anything about him?? If Jaime is responsible, Anthony should also be just as
responsible.
Jim, as much as you'd like the gun shop owner to be responsible for the deaths
of those 10 people, he's not the one.
Differences aside...I feel real bad for you Jim, since your loss in this
situation is by far the biggest and far worse than anybody elses and honestly,
I hope that you eventually get every penny back. I can also understand your
frustration and how stressful this has been on you and your family losing so
much money and I can also understand you want anyone that had anything to do
with this held accountable and I don't blame you one bit. I just hope that
this gets resolved and resolved to your benefit 100%.
Todd
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:25:11 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
Todd what you aren't saying is that he repaired that Dracula Window card prior
to this fake problem surfacing. No one suspected anything. All approaches
changed when it was discovered the hobby had a bad problem. Virtually everyone
in the hobby was fooled, not just John. And when awareness of the problem
surfaced, John and others then took a different look at things. Yet, you still
support the creator of this entire mess. It seems pretty ironic that on one
hand you support the 100% creator of fakes, but hammer on the guy trying to
help this industry.
Jim Gresham
18501 Henry Ct.
Ray, Mi 48096
586 677-7669
Go to www.childrenofthenightbook.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:17:47 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
Not only did John Davis at Poster Mountain say a FAKE Dracula Window Card was
real after he re-restored it, he also swore a Dracula REPRINT One Sheet was
also real.
Those are two examples most people know about. Curious to know how many other
FAKES he also swore were real.
On the other hand, since he is obviously no expert, I'm curious to know how
many REAL posters and lobby cards he swore as being FAKE??
Just because someone restores posters, doesn't make them an expert in
authenticating them.
In addition, just because someone has handled a lot of posters, doesn't make
them an expert either.
Todd Feiertag
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:06:24 +0100
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: [email protected]
It is indeed interesting.
And if they have the right skills and knowledge it could have helped if they
started two years.
But, I still can't get over that someone seemingly had everything at their
disposal and still missed one fake in particular.
Correct me if this is account is inaccurate, but if you strip the false front
from a Window Card back, to improve and replace the back, and you've years of
experience of handling paper, how can you miss it?
I'm not hinting anything untoward, I just still can't understand it.
And if they couldn't spot that one, what level of skills and knowledge are
required for us to rely on anyone to prevent any possible next generation?
Cheers,
Richard
On 26 May 2010, at 21:46, Sean Linkenback wrote:
For a long time now, 3rd party grading has been rumored to be "just around the
corner", "coming soon" and sometimes "never will happen".
Well that day is finally upon us for better or worse (though I can't help but
wonder if it had been here even two years ago would collectors have saved
literally millions of dollars and maybe the "Universal Horror Fakes" fiasco
might have been over as soon as it started.)
CGC (Certified Grading Company - the people who have been grading comics for
over a decade) has recently begun limited certification of lobby cards to test
the market and the first examples will be offered at the upcoming Heritage
Signature Auction in July.
Although no photos are on Heritage's site yet, there are two listings for
complete lobby sets (Let It Be, and All The King's Men) that have been CGC
graded/certified.
It will be very interesting to see how these are accepted in the marketplace.
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