This seems to be the nature of the perverse beast that is Ebay. I've been buying a lot of old plastic model kits lately on Ebay (a new nostalgia binge for me) and I noticed something very much like what you describe:

1) There are a bunch of brick-and-mortar hobby shops that now sell online via ebay. They often sell a lot of their model kits as "Buy It Now" items... sometimes with reasonable BIN prices and sometimes not.

2) Many of these same model kits will be also be listed by other sellers as regular auctions at the same time, often with 99 cent starting bids.

Now here's the weird part: 9 out of 10 times, if there's any bidding interest in the model kit at all, the auction will get bid up to *way* over what it can be bought for at any time as a "Buy It Now" (!)... it's like the bidders don't even know the Buy It Now items are out there (although of course, they turn up on the list with the regular auctions when you run a keyword search).

So, what the heck? The bidders are often paying 2 or 3 times as much for an old plastic model kit at auction than they could have bought the *exact* same item on Ebay with a Buy It Now purchase! It must drive the regular sellers crazy.

Plus, as you said, there's a kind of random nature to what people pay for something at auction. I have seen the same model kit sell at auction from 3 different sellers close the same day at 3 slightly different times... with the descriptions, pictures and shipping charges for all 3 being virtually identical. And yet one of the auctions goes for practically nothing, another goes for a ridiculously high price, and the third goes for about what it should have (not necessarily in that order).

Huh?

-- JR

Kenwick Cook wrote:

I have a recent story, only with a monster mag...

About a month ago, I snagged this Famous Monsters #26 from Mile High Comics... one of the most respected comic companies in the world. My 'vault' copy is an 8.0... Mile High stands by their grade (you can look it up in Wikipedia!) in that if they grade an old book "Near Mint", and if you send it to CGC and it gets less-than an 8.5 they refund your money, plus CGC fees... I figure I couldn't lose! Half of me wanted to call them to ask for special packing, but was afraid someone would catch wind that they were GIVING away FM #26s (Very tough in high grade... that damn white background.)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370373999153

They sent it in a Priority Flat Rate envelope. Although it was sandwiched in two (thin) layers of cardboard, the outer edge got banged-up pretty good in transit... unfortunately, it was a BEAUTIFUL copy otherwise... most likely would have beaten my 8.0.

Crease or no crease, it was still 'worth' a heckuva lot more than what I paid. I went ahead and listed it myself and made a little money, but that wasn't my purpose of the transaction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130392151034

What really chapped my ass is that some newbie listed ANOTHER #26 24 hours later which couldn't hold a candle to MY copy, but sold his for more than double that what mine went for... talk about pouring salt into the wound!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Famous-Monsters-Filmland-26-Jan-1964-/190397828736?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c54984e80

I was just SICK over it for a couple of weeks... I thought I had gotten over it, but then this thread came along.

Now, to make matters WORSE, I just noticed THIS one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Famous-Monsters-Filmland-26-FN-6-5-Warren-1964-/400124023122?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d29401152

No Way this could have been as good as the one I sold! Makes me want to just throw in the towel.

Just had to share MY recent shipping-damage horror-story.

Frankenwick


-----Original Message-----
From: Claude Litton <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Lawrence of Arabia Oscars WC arrives in s*** condition.

*In addition to posters I collect plaster statues (most around 18 inches in height) of celebrities. i have around 400 including most movies stars of the 30', 40's and 50's.* ** *I once bought Abbott and Costello from a seller whose place was 30 miles from me. When the box came everything inside was rattling so I knew I did not own two perfect statues. Each was in a supermarket paper bag with no protection. They were both smashed to pieces.* ** *When I called the seller and asked why he did not protect them with bubble wrap this was his answer: "They were only going 30 miles." I told him that the way the shipping companies toss the boxes they would not have lasted 30 feet.* ** *In any case, I got my money back and bought a perfect pair from another seller.* ** *These statues go well on a shelf below one's favorite posters, which is how I got started. You can find them on ebay by searching ESCO. If you would like to see them, email me.* ** *Claude Litton* In a message dated 6/8/2010 2:57:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> writes:

    I will see your worst packing description, and raise you THIS:
A couple months ago, I received a poster from an eBay seller in
    Italy ("icetrap72": all I can say is "beware"); it was an Italian
    2-fogli, so it's roughly 39"x55".  The seller's ad on eBay
    pictured the poster with a single vertical fold down the middle,
    and three horizontal folds, as is standard for these.  The price
    of the poster was close to US$125, with shipping.  I actually
    already owned this particular poster, but was hoping to upgrade to
    one in better condition, which this appeared to be.
The seller (who sells posters on eBay regularly, though not in
    huge numbers) shipped it wrapped (from Italy to the US) in ....
    wait for it .... GIFTWRAP.  No cardboard, no protection, just
    wrapped in a single layer of paper that was thinner than the paper
    the poster itself was printed on.  (Of course, the flimsy giftwrap
    paper was torn on arrival here in California, exposing the poster
    itself, which was of course also torn).
And, to add insult to injury, presumably to save on giftwrap, he
    had folded the poster an additional time or two prior to shipping
    it (so it arrived with THREE vertical folds instead of one)!  (Or,
    possibly, it had always been tri-folded, but the poster he had
    pictured in his ad was a different specimen...actually, I suspect
    that's closer to the truth.)
Needless to say, after getting no response to my complaints from
    the seller (should have checked his feedback before bidding, as it
    was lousy), I went through eBay's claims process, which
    surprisingly worked very smoothly.  I shipped the poster back, and
    got my $$ refunded by eBay, less my costs of return postage
    (though, to Italy, those costs were substantial, because in order
    to claim a refund you have to do the return shipment in a manner
    that provides delivery confirmation).
He's probably sold the poster four more times by now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:55:32 -0400
    From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [MOPO] Lawrence of Arabia Oscars WC arrives in s***
    condition.
    To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    You want a worst-packing description - I'll give you a worst
    packing description.
A middle-grade auction house with no experience in posters (yes, I
    know I should have been wary) had a movie poster auction a few
    years ago.  Most of the items were uttterly unremarkable but there
    were a few of passing interest and I duly submitted my maximum
    bids and waited to see what would happen.  I won three lots at
    precisely my maximum bid - quite the coincidence.
Two items had to be sent flat and were packed quite well, however
    the Bullitt 1-sheet was tightly rolled into a flimsy (I could
    crush it with my little finger) tube about 1.5" in diameter.  Bad
    enough you might think, but the kicker was the tube was about 6"
    too short so the packer got a second. equivalent tube to cover the
    exposed 6", squeezed the open end of the first tube into the
    second piece so the combined length now covered the poster, then
    used a stapler to hold the two pieces of tube together.  Since the
    poster was right next to the area where the tube pieces overlapped
    the multiple staples went right through the tube and into the
    poster, and since the poster was so tightly rolled each staple
    made about eight holes.  The poster was probably in quite good
    condition before being sent, but on arrival it had multiple crush
    marks and more perforations than a tea bag.
Colin On TuesdayJun 8, 2010, at 9:35 AM, John Waldman wrote:

I guess we all have our shipping horror stories. I received
        another 1 sheet in a Christmas wrapping paper tube.  Hope
        that's not becoming a common practice.
Window cards do tend to be packed very poorly because of their size, and they are easily damaged when packed cheaply. Sometimes an Ebay seller surprises me how well they pack WC's,
        but most times they are packed as cheap as possible.  (The
        professional poster sellers on Ebay are not a problem as far
        as packing goes.)
The worst packed I've ever seen was the 1/2 sheet I received
        in a small envelope.  The poster had been folded to 1/8's to
get it in the envelope. A 50 year old poster totally destroyed. John W

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